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[Erasmo]

I recently bought a copy of the BRC standard in the Spanish version; one of my clients wants to have a course of a Management System based on that Standard.

When I was reviewing the requirements, I notice this:

- Most of the important terminology wasn’t well translated: e.g. the word “hazard” was translated “riesgo” that in English is risk. The correct translation is “peligro” as everyone can see in the Codex and in ISO-22000. Other important word was the translation of “Food Safety” in the BRC standard is “Seguridad de los Alimentos” and that really means “Food Security” in the FAO and international terminology. This is a good example of the importance of working with Technical Groups, including translations activities.

- There is a requirement (3.8) and it’s about Corrective and preventive Actions. In that section the word “preventive” is mentioned only in the title and the definition of “Preventive Action” is not included in the Glossary (Annex 7). You can’t find any reference about “preventive Actions” in the entire Standard. Only in the title!!! So, there is no requirement about it, but it is still “included”.

- The standard has a requirement about the “revision Process” that seems similar to Management Review (1.7) that “process” only has inputs… (no outputs) as all “processes” have.

- The definition of “Validation” is the same used in ISO-9000:2005 and not the used in ISO-22000 which specific for food safety.

- The section about “management of incidents” it’s really good (3.11).

Does anyone have an idea about permissible exclusions, like Design and development, purchasing, etc.

[Simon]

I recently bought a copy of the BRC standard in the Spanish version; one of my clients wants to have a course of a Management System based on that Standard.

When I was reviewing the requirements, I notice this:

- Most of the important terminology wasn’t well translated: e.g. the word “hazard” was translated “riesgo” that in English is risk. The correct translation is “peligro” as everyone can see in the Codex and in ISO-22000. Other important word was the translation of “Food Safety” in the BRC standard is “Seguridad de los Alimentos” and that really means “Food Security” in the FAO and international terminology. This is a good example of the importance of working with Technical Groups, including translations activities.

- There is a requirement (3.8) and it’s about Corrective and preventive Actions. In that section the word “preventive” is mentioned only in the title and the definition of “Preventive Action” is not included in the Glossary (Annex 7). You can’t find any reference about “preventive Actions” in the entire Standard. Only in the title!!! So, there is no requirement about it, but it is still “included”.

- The standard has a requirement about the “revision Process” that seems similar to Management Review (1.7) that “process” only has inputs… (no outputs) as all “processes” have.

- The definition of “Validation” is the same used in ISO-9000:2005 and not the used in ISO-22000 which specific for food safety.

- The section about “management of incidents” it’s really good (3.11).

Does anyone have an idea about permissible exclusions, like Design and development, purchasing, etc.

I'm sure the BRC would be very interested to hear your comments Erasmo (maybe you can get a job on the next revision). The danger with a poor translation, especially of something so important is every single word must be precise, one wrong word and the intent is lost. Very dangerous.

Can anyone help Erasmo with his question:

Does anyone have an idea about permissible exclusions, like Design and development, purchasing, etc.

[Charles.C]

Dear Erasmo,

Regret unable to assist translation queries but I would like to thank you for yr very informative post.

Now I know a little more than Hasta la Vista, baby! and Gaoooooool!

Rgds / Charles.C

[Erasmo]

Section 4.1 mentioned something about “applicable exclusions”. But I can’t find in the document what clauses or requirements of this standard can be excluded. I’m assuming that Design and Development, Purchasing, and others… But I’m not sure. Does anybody knows?

[MRios]

Erasmo, how do you translate Food Safety and Food Security?
And what is the difference? It just gets really difficult when I´m trying to translate and I don´t really get the point.
The term " Seguridad Alimentaria" in my country has become political and refers to being able to provide the general population with the nutrients they need. I don´t know if that´s the case in Mexico too?
Thanks for your help.

Edited by MRios, 05 March 2009 - 03:02 PM.

[excellens]

MRios,

In Dominican Republic, happens exactly the same. "Seguridad Alimentaria" as they're using it, technically, does not mean what they're trying to say. If you check the english terms you'll find

Food Safety= Inocuidad Alimentaria Food security= Seguridad Alimentaria

But Food Security refers to bioterrorism and product protection, not to food supply.

Regards

Horacio

[MRios]

Thanks Excellens. So I guess there´s no exact translation for Food Security so far.