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#26 AS NUR

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 12:58 AM

Dear HZT

hope you better clear on that topics.. but anyhow.. , hope you dont mind to share your experience and knowledge to me...

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 07:10 AM

i think this objective you mention will be the output of the Management review

measurable objective mean that your plicy contain objective can be measured like if you mention we will try to make our customer satsify, Ok you choose objective can be measured


so you can make any statement like keep our food safe , and then at the management review you can make more objectives to make your food safe (e.g training for emplyees, make a limit for non conformity repoer ........ etc)


From policy to objectives,

Some examples,

Okido,

SMART, A small step for consultants a giant step for managers.


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Posted 06 June 2010 - 02:49 AM

Quite logically "you cannot manage a system without the support of reliable and accurate data" That said, all measurable food safety objectives MUST be measurable as we cannot manage what we cannot measure.

I have three questions on this subject:
a. What and how are the pertinent areas in a FSMS be measured to maintain currency of FSO;

b. Can zero tolerance requirements (i.e. customer / regulatory / standard requirements) be measured to meet conformity and compliance?

c. If there are any food safety impact due to violation in (a) or (b) - should the FSO be changed even though CCPs are well managed.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 02:09 AM

Hi All

First Draft of our Food Safety Policy for ISO 22000. All feedback (and donations) gratefully accepted.

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Posted 01 July 2010 - 09:09 PM

Hi All

First Draft of our Food Safety Policy for ISO 22000. All feedback (and donations) gratefully accepted.

I think it's a good start.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 12:51 PM

I have three questions on this subject:
a. What and how are the pertinent areas in a FSMS be measured to maintain currency of FSO;

b. Can zero tolerance requirements (i.e. customer / regulatory / standard requirements) be measured to meet conformity and compliance?

c. If there are any food safety impact due to violation in (a) or (b) - should the FSO be changed even though CCPs are well managed.

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a- IMO, any area in a FSMS can be made measurable and used as a source for a FSO. As you have said that any thing which cannot be measured could not be managed and since a FSMS is made to be managed, it would definitely be able to be measured throughout.

b- First it should be cleared that if I say "Zero customer complaint"-it does not make any sense untill and unless I am experiencing some or customer complaints. Even a perfect system have a chance of having some non-compliance against customer / regulatory / standard requirements. If there are no non-complainces then it would be an enjoyable status. If not, the correct way, IMO, to measure conformity and compliance against such is to identify and establish a baseline of actual data of noncompliances. Then we can set objectives like this "Reduction of customer complaints from x to 0 numbers by end of mm-yy". Till we get "0" customer / regulatory .... noncompliance, theme of the objective will remain same however baseline values would be updated.

c- IMO, they should be changed because impact on food safety counts anyway even though CCPs are well managed.

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Posted 02 July 2010 - 05:43 PM

a- IMO, any area in a FSMS can be made measurable and used as a source for a FSO. As you have said that any thing which cannot be measured could not be managed and since a FSMS is made to be managed, it would definitely be able to be measured throughout.

b- First it should be cleared that if I say "Zero customer complaint"-it does not make any sense untill and unless I am experiencing some or customer complaints. Even a perfect system have a chance of having some non-compliance against customer / regulatory / standard requirements. If there are no non-complainces then it would be an enjoyable status. If not, the correct way, IMO, to measure conformity and compliance against such is to identify and establish a baseline of actual data of noncompliances. Then we can set objectives like this "Reduction of customer complaints from x to 0 numbers by end of mm-yy". Till we get "0" customer / regulatory .... noncompliance, theme of the objective will remain same however baseline values would be updated.

c- IMO, they should be changed because impact on food safety counts anyway even though CCPs are well managed.

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Dear Zeeshan,

My response as follows:

a) - Without going into the details, I generally agree with your approach that data collated from all controls within the FSMS structure are essential to determine if the intended FSO had indeed been achieved and if so to what extend. However, not all data can be measured statistically therefore the issue of subjective measurement may need some form of aceptable support.

b) Zero Customer Complaint is an objective while a customer requirement is a specification and may take the form of say a specific sampling plan of a product to be processed as part of the business contract. Failure to conform to the sampling plan renders a failure to meeting a direct customer requirement hence the orderwould be rejected.

c) I concur with your view that the FSO needs to be reviewed and if impact is significant enough to render the FSO no longer reflecting the currency of the objectives, food safety values have been altered.

It has been nice engaging with you.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 05:50 AM

Dear Charles!

100% agreed with your point of view!:smile:

Just to add a point against 'a'.

Although, it is theoretically possible that any part of FSMS can be used as a reference to make a SMART objective but intention of making a true SMART objective should be reasonable. I mean to say, each departmental or functional objective should support the high-level corporate objectives. Making an isolated SMART objective that fulfills the requirement of a standard or an auditor is, IMO, a stupid strategy. It is just like to amend a small hole in the ship which is going to be sunk due to some big cracks.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 07:28 AM

Dear Charles!

100% agreed with your point of view!:smile:

Just to add a point against 'a'.

Although, it is theoretically possible that any part of FSMS can be used as a reference to make a SMART objective but intention of making a true SMART objective should be reasonable. I mean to say, each departmental or functional objective should support the high-level corporate objectives. Making an isolated SMART objective that fulfills the requirement of a standard or an auditor is, IMO, a stupid strategy. It is just like to amend a small hole in the ship which is going to be sunk due to some big cracks.

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Dear Zeeshan,

Either way you may wish to go, IMO, it is always the business policy that support the food safety / quality policy. Without a profitable on-going concern, how can a FSMS be sustainable. Therefore, I have no hesitation to be in sync with your idea that objective should be smart, achievable, reasonable, manageable...... etc and not at the whims and fancy of unreasonable demand from an auditor who may sometimes use a generic assessment but then not all food auditors are unreasonable.

* I am bound for Karachi for a wedding dinner sometime in Dec. 2010 / Jan. 2011. Maybe we can catch up for a chit chat.

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 10:45 AM

* I am bound for Karachi for a wedding dinner sometime in Dec. 2010 / Jan. 2011. Maybe we can catch up for a chit chat.

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So glad to hear that!!!

When your program is confirmed, kindly let me know.

Edited by Zeeshan, 03 July 2010 - 10:46 AM.

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Posted 04 July 2010 - 11:38 AM

So glad to hear that!!!

When your program is confirmed, kindly let me know.

Dear Zeeshan,

I will keep you informed. BTW, I am deeply involved in Halal and is looking into developing Halal Hazard Analysis with a University in developing further improvement into this area towards global harmonization. Its a long haul.I see you are also in the area and I am keen to see how we can share ideas in this area.

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Posted 06 November 2016 - 02:06 PM

Can we have more examples of objectives


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Posted 06 November 2016 - 04:16 PM

Can we have more examples of objectives

 

Hi Peter,

 

A few more here -

 

http://www.ifsqn.com...012/#entry50821

http://www.ifsqn.com...ety-objectives/

http://www.ifsqn.com...es/#entry103486


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