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#1 mesi

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 11:22 AM

Dear All,

Iam implementing ISO 22000 in a water plant. I have developed the HACCP plans for spring water and PET bottels however I have been requested to validate them. I would highly appreciate if anyone could give me an example in this regard.

Thank you in advance,
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Posted 07 December 2009 - 08:53 AM

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Posted 07 December 2009 - 07:49 PM

Dear All,

Iam implementing ISO 22000 in a water plant. I have developed the HACCP plans for spring water and PET bottels however I have been requested to validate them. I would highly appreciate if anyone could give me an example in this regard.

Thank you in advance,
Mesi



Dear Mesi,

Maybe more information could be useful to help you, what is the content of your HACCP plan, what hazards have been identified and what contol measures you have considered?

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 10:45 PM

The water origin is from a protected underground spring. Combination of filtration systems are the only “treatment” used. During the hazard analysis we took into consideration pathogens and toxic substances and CCP’s are identified in two tasks. The firs CCP is after the filtration and the control measure is the microbiological quality control of water after filtration. The second CCP washing of readymade bottles and the control measure is testing the rinsing.
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 10:58 PM

The water origin is from a protected underground spring. Combination of filtration systems are the only “treatment” used. During the hazard analysis we took into consideration pathogens and toxic substances and CCP’s are identified in two tasks. The firs CCP is after the filtration and the control measure is the microbiological quality control of water after filtration. The second CCP washing of readymade bottles and the control measure is testing the rinsing.
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Does any historical data supports that when filters fail you have microbiological issues?
That database could be supportive to validate your control measure, or maybe a third party lab test for your results from your lab.

What do you spect to find during the rinsing test?

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Edited by FSSM, 08 December 2009 - 10:58 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 12:43 AM

The water origin is from a protected underground spring. Combination of filtration systems are the only “treatment” used. During the hazard analysis we took into consideration pathogens and toxic substances and CCP’s are identified in two tasks. The firs CCP is after the filtration and the control measure is the microbiological quality control of water after filtration. The second CCP washing of readymade bottles and the control measure is testing the rinsing.
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IMO.. for the CCP 1 (filtration), you have to make sure (valdate) that your filter have right mesh to avoid any micro to contaminate your water.. and IMO.. the control measure should be integrity of your filter.. and for monitoring you have to check the integrity or you can use delta pressure there is no leak on filter, and for verification you can check micro after flitration.

And for CCP 2, you have to make sure (that) your washing (process and detergen use) is enough to remove any micro and chemical agent (detergent).. to validate you can check micro before and after cleaning .. and for chemical yo can check the pH. the pH target should be same with pH of Fresh water that you used for cleaning. For monitoring you have to check visually clean and checek for pH, for micro you can do swab test using ATP biosensor.

thats my opinion.. hope can help you


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Posted 09 December 2009 - 07:14 AM

Dear mesi,

Not an ISO 22000 expert and this has its own validation peculiarities as per the standard so i won't discuss them. Other people are more qualified to answer.

Water HACCP also not my field but, generally, the objective of the validation procedure is to have evidence that yr HACCP plan will be “effective” when implemented. In theory this relates to yr whole plan (structure / prerequisites etc) but since you hv hopefully sourced recognised documents as evidence for the basic functions, the specific operational validation will often focus on showing that yr choice of CCPs and associated control measures are appropriate to achieving yr FSOs (Food Safety Objectives). These may be a result of local regulations, WHO directives etc depending on yr situation.

A very basic example of one general approach for water is here –

Attached File  water_haccp_v2_app10.pdf   28.81KB   431 downloads

So the details are related to specifying / justifying what criteria determined yr choice of CCPs and their critical limits etc. I presume you hv this information ( :smile: ) or are you seeking typical suggestions from the forum ? Several threads with typical linked data on this topic already exist here and can be searched but the exact details will obviously relate to yr specific water supply and cleaning application.

I was rather surprised that no chemical disinfection step was considered necessary. I presume this was an immediate auditorial validation query. :smile:

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 04:52 AM

A very basic example of one general approach for water is here –

Attached File  water_haccp_v2_app10.pdf   28.81KB   431 downloads

I was rather surprised that no chemical disinfection step was considered necessary. I presume this was an immediate auditorial validation query. :smile:

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Thanks for that Charles - this is a useful template. It would apply to generating potable water rather than drinking water - I am not sure about wanting minimum 0.3ppm free Chlorine in bottled drinking water.

I agree that disinfection should be a step and would suggest a treatment like ozone or uv disinfection.

Ref. Validation methods - have a look at the attachment.

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Example validation record :Attached File  IFSQN_Validation_Record_pdf.pdf   138.44KB   289 downloads

Edited by Tony-C, 10 December 2009 - 05:01 AM.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 06:10 AM

Dear Tony,

It's a nice generic attachment but I didn't understand why all the ticks were in the "NO" column. I guessed the intention is that the validation be totally explained by the (anonymous) in-house ref. but this seems a little strange to me?. :smile:

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 11:13 AM

Hi Charles

I could have ticked admissible by industrial practices, however, although it may seem strange :rolleyes: ATP swabbing tends to be something that is validated in house.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 07:37 PM

Thks Tony. I suppose it’s just a question of style. As far as the technique itself is concerned, I would hv been tempted by the 1st, 2nd and 4th also. The yes’s look soo inviting. :shades:

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 08:03 PM

Thks Tony. I suppose it’s just a question of style. As far as the technique itself is concerned, I would hv been tempted by the 1st, 2nd and 4th also. The yes’s look soo inviting. :shades:
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Thanks Charles the thing is it is so much easier if something can be validated by legislation etc. rather than in house. With ATP technology there aren't too many people that will stick their neck out.

Kind regards,

Tony :smile:
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