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#1 hygienic

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 01:33 PM

Dear All,

Our scope as a catering is delivering & servicing food to the consumers , I need traditional chemical names for cockroaches , flies and rodents. I want to know and be aware about the chemical names and the purpose of using, as i mentioned above some for flies and other for cockroaches.

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Posted 16 August 2010 - 08:52 AM

Dear Hygienic,

I have not gotten your quiz.Do you require scientific names i.e genus and species names for these pests or do you require the chemicals that are used to rid or control these pests.Please elaborate.

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Posted 20 August 2010 - 12:31 PM

Dear Hygienic,

I have not gotten your quiz.Do you require scientific names i.e genus and species names for these pests or do you require the chemicals that are used to rid or control these pests.Please elaborate.

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Dear Kamwenji :

Thanks for your interest m I require the chemicals that use to control the pests.


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Posted 23 August 2010 - 08:10 PM

Powerful chemicals such as those used in pest control should be handled, stored, dosed and used carefully and correctly. I would recommend you contact a professional pest control contractor to support you with this.


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Posted 25 August 2010 - 09:49 AM

Dear Hygenic,

In my company, Pest control service proveder is using following chemicals

1. Cyflothrin ( synthetic pyrethroid) - for sprying purpose
2. Deltamethrin - for sprying purpos (odorless)
3.Fipronil - main ingredient in glu pad , used for trapping rodents (using inside the processing area)
4.Bromadiolone - Cake to be used in outside premise to kill rodents


That's the details i hade with me. Pest Control India is our service provider.

If you need any more details, let me know.

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Posted 25 August 2010 - 10:51 PM

Dear Bhavin,

Thanks for suggestions. My guess is that these are all brand names and possibly specific to India ? Only Hygienic knows for sure of course ??? :smile:

I have occasionally, probably like many other people, used a pyrethroid for external fly spraying in non-food sensitive areas via semi-safety knowledge borrowed from the monthly service team. But I think that Simon is correct that, for the real food places, one has to trust (ie request validation documentation) that the professional local chemicals are appropriate. Based on received reactions to previous comment, i think that many food companies simply get away with quoting a well-known name.

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Posted 26 August 2010 - 06:52 PM

Powerful chemicals such as those used in pest control should be handled, stored, dosed and used carefully and correctly. I would recommend you contact a professional pest control contractor to support you with this.



Dear Simon:

The contractor said he wil use organic insecticide from thyme or garlice I dont think so will be effective.And he provided me a list of some commercial chemicals approved by the local authority but nothing mention on the license to recommend these chemical to use in the food facility .



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Posted 26 August 2010 - 07:19 PM

Dear Simon:

The contractor said he Will use organic insecticide from thyme or garlic I don't think so will be effective.And he provided me a list of some commercial chemicals approved by the local authority but nothing mention on the license to recommend these chemical to use in the food facility .

Hygienic

Hello Hygienic,

Why not add a sprig of rosemary for good measure. :dunno:

I'm out of my depth with pest control chemicals, so I will leave it to the Sages. :smile:

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 04:18 AM

Dear Bhavin,

Thanks for suggestions. My guess is that these are all brand names and possibly specific to India ? Only Hygienic knows for sure of course ??? Posted Image

I have occasionally, probably like many other people, used a pyrethroid for external fly spraying in non-food sensitive areas via semi-safety knowledge borrowed from the monthly service team. But I think that Simon is correct that, for the real food places, one has to trust (ie request validation documentation) that the professional local chemicals are appropriate. Based on received reactions to previous comment, i think that many food companies simply get away with quoting a well-known name.

Rgds / Charles.C


Dear Charles,

Thanks for your repy, but the chemicals are manufactured by Bayer(India) Limited and are available with MSDS.
Secondly , PCI is tied up with Brandenburg UK and OCS group UK for their pest management service so these are approved by auditors as well.

As for certification audit i had auditor from TUV and they were satisfied with the documents given for pest management service.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 08:07 AM

Dear Hygienic,

The chemical names given by Bhavin are actually the active ingredients of the pest control chemicals and not brand names.Having used them in our production area for years i would recommend that you contact your pest controller for guidance.Also,the active ingredients in these pesticides are not in the prohibit list or banned products for the MRLS list provided by the EU.

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:14 PM

Dear Bhavin / Kamwenji,

Many thks yr replies.

Regarding terminology, I think you are correct after a little internetting. In fact these are apparently ISO “common” names, as for example in this huge compilation
http://www.alanwood....x_cn_frame.html

@ Kamwenji – are you saying that the EC issues a list of insecticidal components etc considered as safe for use within / around food establishments. Please clarify as I could not find any mention of such a compilation. And to echo the original post from Hygienic, I could not find any mention of approval for use in, or adjacent to, food related establishments in a few data sheets I looked at.

As an example, one of the items mentioned by Bhavin, fipronil, has quite an interesting description here –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fipronil
It also has a more technically detailed data sheet here –
http://npic.orst.edu...ts/DeltaGen.pdf

In view of the intended application, it is of course hardly surprising that some level of toxicity is one of its “desirable” properties. I frankly found the wiki entry rather alarming but my technical ability to assess such data is lacking so it may be not of unusual significance within the genre.

I do presume some kind of risk assessment is carried out by the manufacturers regarding the safety of subsequent usage in specific food environments. (Have to regretfully say that I have never pursued this aspect myself (relied on pest control service / their list of locally approved chemicals] or been asked about such in-depth matters by auditors. ??)

Here is another quite impressive looking example with a clear “approved” opening statement –
http://www2.syngenta...oschure_low.pdf
However I could not see any mention of restrictions such as near to food producing applications. It is possible that information of this type is only mentioned where the specific application is under discussion within the publication ??

I am sure the actual situation is in fact much better protected than I hv so far determined but where ??

Good question Hygienic ! :thumbup:

Rgds / Charles.C

PS just to illustrate that this kind if issue is not new, here is a 1999 sort of related publication -

Attached File  haccp - pest control - reports_ICUP435.pdf   43.05KB   85 downloads

This 2002 US link also has some (US) relevance -
http://www.pesticide...yUS.html#EPA25b


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