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Posted 01 December 2013 - 01:35 PM

Dear Colleagues, 

I have read too much about FSSC22000 as of different experts and as per information I found through different websites, but I was not able to identify as whether there is a published official particular standard for FSSC22000. Where as of now I acknowledged that basic requirements to fulfill certification for any company is to comply with ISO22000 std and the technical specification (ISO/TS 22002-1). Can somebody give feedback. If there is a standard, can somebody share?

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 07:38 PM

Go to this page and in the left hand menu click "downloads".


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Posted 02 December 2013 - 07:18 AM

Dear Zein,

 

You can find the FSSC 22000 scheme documents on www.fssc22000.com under downloads. They are free available. Please let us now if you have any additional questions.

 

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Cornelie Glerum

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 12:58 AM

Hello Simon and Cornelia,

 

I thank Zein for posting this question. I come from a BRC and SQF background when it comes to GFSI benchmarks.  I have recently been trying to educate myself on FSSC 22k... and come across some issues.

 

Basically, SQF is free…

http://www.sqfi.com/documents/

 

I hear that BRC will soon offer it for free.

(BRC does currently publish a free “Self-Assessment Tool”… that is actually the standard clause-by-clause, they just don’t call it the “Standard”).

http://www.brcglobal...px#.Uwz9BvldUrU

 

There is a basic expectation when it comes to evaluating a GFSI benchmark...

 

However, as there is no actual “FSSC 22000” document (clause-by-clause like the above), it being a combination of different standards, I have never been abel to review it as it cost so bloody much:

  1. ISO22000 (128 Swiss Franc = USD 144.31)

https://www.iso.org/...2000:ed-1:v1:en

  1. PAS 223 (80 British Pound = USD 133.56)

http://shop.bsigroup...000000030240355

 

 

Is there a way to assess the standard, clause-by-clause in order to evaluate if this is the standard?

Am I overlooking something?

 

It is rather easy with the major food processing standards like BRC, SQF and IFS... why is this so convoluted with FSSC22000?

 

Thoughts, inputs, direction?
Much appreciated for any guidance that you may have.

Cheers,
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Posted 01 March 2014 - 11:08 AM

Dear baron,

 

(BRC does currently publish a free “Self-Assessment Tool”… that is actually the standard clause-by-clause, they just don’t call it the “Standard”).

 

 

Well, last time I looked, depends on what you define as the complete standard. :smile:
 

 

Am I overlooking something?

 

The various posts by Tony are probably more reliable than my memory but AFAIK, essentially the FSSC Standard is equivalent to (A+B) + C + the FSSC website for a few unheralded  "re-visions" +  maybe a little searching on this forum for interpretation of the website.

Eliciting the fine print may involve some IT slogging.

(there exists, AFAIK, a legitimate dwlable clause duplicate of C which is referenced on this forum, ie Synergy)

(A,B,C) = (-000,004,002-1)

 

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PS - i assumed you were interested in food. PAS223 is for packaging. The food PAS has i think been withdrawn/replaced by ISO 2002-1.

 

In terms of longevity, one might argue that ISO22000/004 are a bargain but a revision(s) may be in the wind.


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 12:25 PM

Thank you for all your information, i still wonder why there is no full standart or a questionnaire abour fssc22000...


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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:16 PM

 

PS - i assumed you were interested in food. PAS223 is for packaging. The food PAS has i think been withdrawn/replaced by ISO 2002-1.

 

Opps, My error, I meant PAS 220, thank you for that correction Charles.

 

And yes, it has been replaced by ISO/TS 22002-1... I take it that these are ISO's PRP Technical Specification requirements.

 

(I looked over some of Tony-C’s posts)

 

 

In summary, as “clause-by-clause” requirements go, one needs:

 

Per FSSC 22000: http://www.fssc22000...ersion32013.pdf (applied in April 2013)

 

3. REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FOOD SAFETY SYSTEMS

 

3.1 Food safety management system

ISO 22000 - Requirements for any organization in the food chain.             

https://www.iso.org/...2000:ed-1:v1:en

(128 Swiss Franc = USD 144.31) http://www.iso.org/i...?csnumber=35466

There is also:

ISO TS 22004 - Food safety management systems - Guidance on the application of ISO 22000:2005.

                https://www.iso.org/...2004:ed-1:v1:en

                (80 Swiss Franc = USD 91.12) http://www.iso.org/i...?csnumber=39835

 

3.2 Prerequisite programs

ISO/TS 22002- Prerequisite programs on food safety (Part 1: Food manufacturing)

                https://www.iso.org/...2:-4:ed-1:v1:en

                                (92 Swiss Franc = USD 104.78) http://www.iso.org/i...?csnumber=60969

 

3.3 Additional requirements

               

1. Specifications for services

The organization in the food chain shall ensure that all services (including utilities, transport and maintenance) which are provided and may have an impact on food safety:

• shall have specified requirements,

• shall be described in documents to the extent needed to conduct hazard analysis,

• shall be managed in conformance with the requirements of technical specification for sector PRPs.

 

2. Supervision of personnel in application of food safety principles

The organization in the food chain shall ensure the effective supervise on of the personnel in the correct application of the food safety principles and practices commensurate with their activity.

 

3. Specific regulatory requirements

Organizations seeking certification shall assure that specifications for ingredients and materials take account of any applicable regulatory requirements [e.g. control of prohibited substances].

 

4. Announced, but unscheduled audits of certified organizations

The certification body will participate in a risk based program of office audits and announced, but unscheduled, audits of certified organizations. These audits shall be carried out in accordance to the GFSI requirements.

 

5. Management of Inputs

The organization shall implement a system to assure that analysis of inputs critical to the confirmation of product safety is undertaken. The analyses shall be performed to standards equivalent to those described in ISO 17025.

 

 

Question 1: To those who have dealt with FSSC22k, Is that a pretty adequate boil down?

 

Yes Charles, you are correct, a printed (or electric) “complete standard” FROM BRC is needed for a successful audit;  but for reviewing clause-by-clause requirements, the above BRC “Self-Assessment Tool” link will do.

 

Question 2: Do people think that this above observation makes it rather hard for the industry to really choose FSSC 22k over other freely published GFSI benchmarked food processing standards? (like BRC, SQF and IFS).

 

Thank you for any further input!

-Baron


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 10:36 AM

Dear baron,

 

Re-BRC, I agree with you that the “tool” is excellent for reviewing but  without the “missing link” it may well be impossible to start,  process-wise. Financial leverage. :smile:

 

I daresay you’ve seen them already within the multitude of 22000 threads here but  these general / specific (3/1) items may be interesting  –

 

http://www.ifsqn.com...000/#entry29329

http://www.ifsqn.com...ses/#entry49280

http://www.ifsqn.com...000/#entry60680

http://www.ifsqn.com...744/#entry39585

 

As illustrated in numerous threads here, the “customer driven” aspect seems to dominate the Europe/USA choice.

 

I am hardly a supporter of ISO/FSSC22000 in its present HACCP incarnation but its typical ISO malleability can be attractive.

 

Many actual users are maybe following the same philosophy as for ISO9001, good for the logo, (so far) long term cheap and auditorially less contentious, the last two somewhat overlapping ?

 

Some input from actual users would be interesting, probably in Asia ?

 

Rgds / Charles.C


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 02:00 AM

Thank you Charles, the links were good.

 

But ultimately, apart from all of these individual presentations, as a evaluator of a company, I would like to see the actual requirements of the standard (to which one will be audited) in order to asses its... "particularities" from other GFSI benchmarks.  All of the slide assessments then can be compared to my evaluation; thus I, as a representative evaluator with a company, can then advise senior management.

 

However, FSSC 22000 makes it rather difficult to fully asses the "standard" to which a possessor is to adhere to when "shopping" around for GFSI benchmarked standards.

 

SQF, IFS and BRC are free to look at... FSSC22K is not so easy to understand or "look at".

 

Just saying... unless I have overlooked something.

 

-Baron


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 05:58 AM

Dear baron,
 

 

FSSC22K is not so easy to understand or "look at"

 

 

Yes/No // Yes. :smile:

 

Other than scouring the IT, IMEX, the (3) ISO standards are invariably held in libraries with technical capabilities, ie free to view and usually non-exorbitant to request hard copy. ISO22004 offers considerable clarification to certain aspects of the original.

 

The additional requirements due to website content for FSSC22000 are, I think, so far minimal (as presented/linked on this forum anyway). Any users here are welcome to correct me/elaborate if otherwise.

 

With respect to understanding, most people here seem to agree that if you are familiar with iso9001 and traditional haccp, the only major "inconvenience" derives from OPRP which requires some further thought. But currently, for the latter, most auditors appear generally satisfied with an absolute minimalist interpretation (+ iso22002-1 has simplified things somewhat from the original 22000 layout ).

 

I might add that it is almost a waste of time to try and fully understand "OPRP" as presented in the 22000 documents since the whole thing was conceptually/textually  revamped between the near-final draft and issued version due a barrage of criticisms. It was, i think, conceptually based on the system in Dutch HACCP (free to download).

 

Rgds / Charles.C


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