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[Zeeshan]

In order to present a short briefing to the staff of Quality Department, I want to use an illustration (attached) for better understanding. I need valuable comments from the members of the forum to make it more useful and understandable.

 

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Regards.

Muhammad Zeeshan Zaki.

[MCIAN]

Hi Zeeshan!

 

I have attached here a comparative summary of QA vs QC which i use as part of my Quality Awareness Trainings.

 

Have a nice day.

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[AS NUR]

IMO,  QA more on  strategic site such as make guidline and QC more on execution on the floor. 

[Zeeshan]

Thanks for replying but I will be more thankful for commenting on my illustration. I want to know, whether it is correct or have some lacking?

 

Regards.

Muhammad Zeeshan Zaki.

[pet gourmet]

It's right, and it will be understand easy

[Mr. Incognito]

This is interesting to me because I always understood it differently.

 

This is what I understood:

 

There are two types of quality systems in food Quality Assurance and Quality Control.

 

Quality Assurance is for lower risk food products where the Quality Department performs routine testing to assure the quality of the product and is pretty much what you both have described about trying to make the product better but has little authority on the floor in relation to production.  What I mean by that is for the most part Quality Assurance will warn production management that a potential hold situation exists but will not stop the run unless there is a specific food safety risk identified in the production.

 

Quality Control is for higher risk food products.  We always did the same things as Quality Assurance but had more authority to shut the line down if there was any perceived risk with less blowback by production.

 

Idk... really.  What has everyone else experienced?

[Charles.C]

Dear Zeeshan,

 

IMHO, the difference is more one of (self?) Perception than Quantitation. Like Chemist / Chem.Engr.

 

There are many other related curios, often i suspect  depending on location, eg Technical Manager seems a prized position in UK. Beautifully obscure.

 

I blame it on ISO.

 

Rgds / Charles.C

[Snookie]

It is interesting to see the different "takes" what the difference is between QA and QC.  I was trained (and certified by internationally recognized agencies) that QA is the plan and QC is the acts or the resulting actions of this plan.  Personally, I think the very confusion is troubling and the terms a bit outdated in this aspect.  It is analogist to saying I need the box to be blue.   Does that mean navy blue, sky blue, periwinkle blue.  The very generic nature of the terms can be problematic and confusing. 

 

Zeeshan, I found the illustration confusing.  I eventually got it but it took a few moments of reviewing before I did. 

[Mr. Incognito]

Well it's interesting because I see job postings for QA or QC managers and as such typically the expectation of the position is different.

[Snookie]

Well it's interesting because I see job postings for QA or QC managers and as such typically the expectation of the position is different.

 

I have seen job postings for one or the other or both.  Yet very often the main function of the job is the same-managing the quality of the organization whether it is the through the plan (be it create it, change it etc.) and/or the actual actions to achieve the plan.  That person is most often responsible for both.

[Mr. Incognito]

Well it was funny the job I have now they had QC and QA on the posting like they were interchangeable...

 

I know what your saying I guess I thought it was more how much power quality had over production and that it tied into the level of product risk by what it was

 

ie:

 

Pasta - low risk flour, cooked before packing, low water activity - "Assure the quality"

 

Yogurt - high risk - high water activity - lots of stuff can grow - Control the Quality (Like Quality Police) lol

 

But idk that's just the perception I had of the two different titles.  I did notice that looking up the average salary that QC Managers were paid more in my area than QA managers but that may just be because there are more "QA" managers in the plants here... idk.

[Snookie]

Well it was funny the job I have now they had QC and QA on the posting like they were interchangeable...

 

 

I think that is the challenge that many see them as interchangeable.  More often in small to medium companies the Quality Manager does both hence sometimes both in the title.  Low risk or high risk doesn't always seem to play into the title choice.  Hence my preference for the title of simply Quality Manager. 

[Charles.C]

Dear All,

 

Historically QC surely came first ? Graeco-Roman ?

 

From memory, formal iso definitions of the 2 do exist but IMHO are globally meaningless.

 

Some locations regard QA as the executive arm / the thinker, QC as the worker bee, ie it's all about status.

 

But elsewhere can find QC as the top dog all on its own. USA = ?

 

I suspect Quality Manager (USA) =~ Technical Manager (UK)

 

Rgds / Charles.C

 

PS - I had a quick look at Zeeshan's picture in the WC interval but too deep for me ( must >> QA ?).

[fgjuadi]

 

Some locations regard QA as the executive arm / the thinker, QC as the worker bee, ie it's all about status.

 

This.

 

And god forbid you're in ....oh man...

 

Sanitation* .....

 

*full disclosure, I was a Sanitation Supervisor for a brief round

[Charles.C]

This.

 

And god forbid you're in ....oh man...

 

Sanitation* .....

 

*full disclosure, I was a Sanitation Supervisor for a brief round

 

Dear Magenta_m,

 

How true - literally in the sh**.

 

Nothing quite like inspecting the Waste Material Control, other than the Sources thereof ! At least you have a personal Zone of Privacy for the rest of the day, especially in the Lunchroom.

 

Rgds / Charles.C