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[mcsparrow_98]

Hello,

Our company ***DELETED*** are control system experts primarily working in the Dairy Industry. ISO 22000 has meant that we have had to design and produce a whole new range of control systems that electronically log the data from Milk Tanks etc with regards to the temperature of milk, and how the milk tanks are cleaned after use. The information is then remotely uploaded to a secure web server and can be accessed through our dedicated website. This service offers full traceability.

Since the release of ISO 22000 we have designed new datalogging systems that can be used for any purpose. Utilising machine to machine technology, we are able to request temperature requests at any time through SMS, we can request data uploads from our website, we can receive SMS alerts, email alerts when temperatures raise or fall above set parameters.

Please check out ***DELETED*** for more information.

What I would like to know is who is going to enforce ISO 22000? This new ligislation should filter down to even small cafes restaurants etc - anyone who is involved with the manufacture or storing of consumables/food products. Does this mean that I will have to electronically monitor the fridge my staff keeps their milk in?

For a real time demonstration of our logging systems visit ***DELETED***

This is a datalogger in our office monitoring the office temperature and outside air temperature. The parameters that control the device can be changed remotely from the internet which offers global control.

[Simon]

Hello McSparrow,

It all sounds very interesting however it's not the way we do things around here.

These forums have rules, which you read and agreed to when you registered to become a member. See point no.10 at the following link. http://www.saferpak...._guidelines.htm

In line with the rules I've deleted the company name and web links from your post.

Look we sometimes turn a blind eye to a little subtle advertising, especially from members who make valuable contributions to the forums providing information and answering questions; but come on not on your first post McSparrow - what do you think it is?

Regards,
Simon

[Franco]

[Charles Chew]

ISO 22000 has meant that we have had to design and produce a whole new range of control systems that electronically log the data

For your information, I feel McSparrow lacks the understanding of the concept of ISO 22000 implementation which really does not require you to consider a total revamp of your current control system if the monitoring activities are already effective and the results are validated.

The parameters that control the device can be changed remotely from the internet which offers global control

Having a manual data logging system is not at all in anyway inferior to one that is electronically controlled. Sure, humans may err but than again so are machines if not properly installed, prepared, maintained, calibrated.....and so forth. Its a fit-in situation and of course, needless to say you still need humans to monitor these damn electronic stuff anyway no matter how remote you want to exercise control over them.

I just want to say that implementing an ISO 22000 into your current food processing system does not require you to spend millions of dollars into state-of-the-art control equipment that you can at the flip of your cell phone or get internet connected to monitor your CCPs where you would already have the controls in place. Control equipment are merely "aids" to ensure that your control points are still in well, "control"

Whats really important is the correct interpretation and requirements of the ISO 22000 international standards and to fully understand your own processing environment to perform a correct risk assessment and putting up the appropriate HACCP Plan and of course using a whole lot of common sense in purchasing the suitable control equipment in aiding you manage your HACCP System.

My biggest fear of using or promoting the use of electronic control equipment is the over-dependence on its perceived or hugely expected "dependency or reliability" when it can indeed be the same perception that could put our entire system at risk. Nothing is left to chance if your industry is of high care category. The probable difference between a electronic and manual control system is perhaps (assuming everything is in order) is the timing of your verification results but again not necessarily all the time.

A classic case is that of a micro rapid test system versus that the conventional test method but it is obvious which test method will give you the fastest result but it is also obvious which test method will giv you the most reliable result. .................

Conclusion - ISO 22000 as you will find in as many statements in ISO Web Site is designed to be implmented in all types of organizations of any complexity. Just keep it simple!

[Simon]

Conclusion - ISO 22000 as you will find in as many statements in ISO Web Site is designed to be implmented in all types of organizations of any complexity. Just keep it simple!

Providing complicated solutions to simple problems makes money; especially when the customer is unknowing and the pressure is on to comply and get results. Good advice as usual Charles.

BTW where is McSparrow?

Simon