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#1 dwells

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 06:14 PM

Hello all,

              My company produces poultry feed and we are in the process of attaining SQF level 2 certification. We are FSC 34, modules 2 &3. This being said, I haven't seen anything about hands free hand dryers. Can this be used in lieu of paper towels? I ask this because paper towels are mentioned specifically in the code but no where (that I noticed) are air dryers mentioned.  

                                                                                 Thank you in advance for the assistance.

 


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#2 WayneFiorelli

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 08:38 PM

I do not know for sure what the code says about hands free dryers, but my SQF consultant told me during the class that he prefers to see paper towels. 

 

His reasoning? After you wash your hands, they are considered "clean" by industry standards, but germs and coliforms are floating around in a rest room. If you use a hands free dryer, you are simply blowing those germs directly into your hands, but the paper towels remove the liquid and leave the hands dry and clean. 


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 01:19 PM

I recommend that you review the SQF guidance document that is available for module 3.  For example, the code specifically requires the use of paper towels in  module 11, but in the guidance document it states that if alternative means of hand drying, e.g. high-speed air dryers, then their use must justified and effectiveness validated  I think that you will find when you start doing research on air dryers that in many instances the dryer itself can become a microbiological haven that then blows microbes onto hands.  It is going to be hard to justify and validate their use, in my opinion.


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#4 Chris Domenico

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 04:19 PM

I agree with the above feedback. You might also want to consider the dispensing / delivery unit as well because microbes will present themselves on the handles or pushbars of crank-style paper towel dispensers. Consider a hand's free paper towel unit. 


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Posted 25 November 2015 - 12:10 PM

 read attached article.

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 03:42 PM

It looks like everyone is steering you in the right direction, but just wanted to throw in a little bit. Air dryers are tested to be high in microbial growth because it's a warm, moist environment. This means bacteria flourishes within the dryer and then sprays them on clean hands. The exception to this rule is Dyson's. This one is so fast that it actually doesn't show an increase in the amount of bacteria being sprayed onto peoples' hands. Other than that specific dryer, paper towels are probably your best bet.

 

Hope that helps and good luck!


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Posted 02 December 2015 - 05:01 AM

It looks like everyone is steering you in the right direction, but just wanted to throw in a little bit. Air dryers are tested to be high in microbial growth because it's a warm, moist environment. This means bacteria flourishes within the dryer and then sprays them on clean hands. The exception to this rule is Dyson's. This one is so fast that it actually doesn't show an increase in the amount of bacteria being sprayed onto peoples' hands. Other than that specific dryer, paper towels are probably your best bet.

 

Hope that helps and good luck!

 

Referring to the microbial growth after drying hands with air dryer, we did receive one recommendation after being audited was to install a alcohol free antibacterial hand sanitizer.

 

We revamped the cleaning protocol to accommodate this. All staffs entering production floor must: wash hands > dry hands > sanitize hands. 

 

No issues after that. 


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Posted 02 December 2015 - 06:21 AM

Just share my experience, I've designed our facility to entering production facility.

 

All staff must be:

1. Change the cloth.

2. Clean the cloth using sticky roller.

3. Wash hand by water and soap with antimicrobial agent.

4. Drying using hand dryer. Hand dryer must be cleaning everyday to remove any accumulate water, if not it'll be the place microbial growth.

5. Hand sanitize using alcohol free microbial.

 

Already implemented almost 6 years and no issues.


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Posted 02 December 2015 - 07:28 AM

Just share my experience, I've designed our facility to entering production facility.

 

All staff must be:

1. Change the cloth.

2. Clean the cloth using sticky roller.

3. Wash hand by water and soap with antimicrobial agent.

4. Drying using hand dryer. Hand dryer must be cleaning everyday to remove any accumulate water, if not it'll be the place microbial growth.

5. Hand sanitize using alcohol free microbial.

 

Already implemented almost 6 years and no issues.

This^

To add to point 5: Automatic version making it completely hands free using a sensor on the dispenser  :shades:


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Posted 03 December 2015 - 10:01 PM

This^

To add to point 5: Automatic version making it completely hands free using a sensor on the dispenser  :shades:

hi John,

 

yes correct we use automatic for hand wash and also automatic alcohol dispenser


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Posted 04 December 2015 - 04:54 AM

Hi All,

 

Attached File  micro.comparison hand drying methods,2014.pdf   1.05MB   65 downloads

 

Hot air driers  :thumbdown:


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Posted 02 January 2016 - 02:12 AM

Interestingly enough we recently told an SQF consulting client that installed ten hand dryers and they are modules 2&11 they would either need to take tem out and replace with paper towels or they need to run a risk analysis that would include airborne testing at the blower unit.

If the risk analysis turns out ok and you are willing to ensure air testing plus ensuring the filters are checked regularly then an air dryer will be acceptable to the Auditor.

What's funny is that modules 12&13 indicate that either paper towels or an,"effective" hand dryer are acceptable.

We have had clients decide to take the risk analysis route abd air testing and they found the test results to be bad enough to warrant pulling the air dryers abd going back to paper towels.

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 05:00 PM

Referring to the microbial growth after drying hands with air dryer, we did receive one recommendation after being audited was to install a alcohol free antibacterial hand sanitizer.

 

We revamped the cleaning protocol to accommodate this. All staffs entering production floor must: wash hands > dry hands > sanitize hands. 

 

No issues after that. 

Can you please tell me why alcohol free antibacterial hand sanitizer?


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