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Best Answer Ehab Nassar, 10 May 2016 - 09:14 AM

Hi Mandark ,

thanks for elaboration ,

Yes you can do it in condition that the process /design grantee that there is no way of mixing or wrong serving , the prompt GMP by accurate declaration/labeling , team awareness , cleaning practices , utilities coding is the main key .

Below is the details : 

In the Codex "GENERAL GUIDELINES FOR USE OF THE TERM “HALAL” CAC/GL 24-1997 

2.2 Notwithstanding Section 2.1 above:

2.2.1 halal food can be prepared, processed or stored in different sections or lines within the same premises where non-halal foods are produced, provided that necessary measures are taken to prevent any contact between halal and non-halal foods;

2.2.2 halal food can be prepared, processed, transported or stored using facilities which have been previously used for non-halal foods provided that proper cleaning procedures, according to Islamic requirements, have been observed.

 

also we can add to it 

 a) Free of, and not made of, or containing any part or substance taken or extracted from animal which are forbidden (Non Halal or HARAM) to be consumed by Muslims, according to Islamic laws.

b) Not containing any substances, which is declared as filth according to Islamic Laws.

c) Not prepared, processed, produced or manufactured using utensils, equipment and / or machinery which are not free from filthy substances as directed by Islamic Laws, and

d) During preparation, processing or storage, it should not come into contact or be in close proximity with any food which do not fulfill the requirements as stipulated in Paragraph (a), (b) or © or any substance declared as being filth according to Islamic Law.

 

So the most important is to total segregate ( close proximity means a potential risk of mixing )and clearly /promptly identify each one in a way that mixing or miss using is totally avoided , it is required prompt GMP any violation that can lead to a probability of wrong application , mixing , handling or blending of halal food with non halal food will be a serious violation , the ROLE IS MAKE THEM SEPARATED /IDENTIFIED

 

below is the link  as per your request for Codex alimentarius :

http://www.fao.org/f...%2FCXG_024e.pdf

 

also you can review this link for GSO

https://law.resource....e.ds.2008.pdf 

 

If you have more query about this fill free to share ,

 

Best regards ,

Ehab

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#1 Mandark

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 03:27 AM

Hi All,

 

Is it necessary that canteen serves only non-halal food in a halal certified products/factory? Our employees are bringing their own food while canteen serves also non-halal food.

 

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 05:27 AM

Hi Mandark  

I'm confused what is really your query , is it about halal or about bringing private food to the facility  , please elaborate more .

let me first assure that I understand your query , you are at Halal certified facility , you have a canteen for stuff of mixed religions , your canteen service only non halal food , so Muslims had to bring their own food with them . 

- Regarding Halal certificate : this is not a violation as far as non halal food is segregated away from the halal ingredients and there is no possibility for mixing them up or using it by mistake , for the canteen it shall be declared the this food is non halal food .

- For bringing their own food to the facility this is not perfect  GMP , you also should review you FS certificate if you have or you GMP rules , I prefer to offer a halal food also and prevent any food from outside , if it is not possible I suggest to have a special lockers for the private food under controlled sanitary conditions .

 

Hope I answered your query , 

BR,

Ehab

 


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Posted 10 May 2016 - 08:35 AM

Hi Ehab,

 

Let me correct my inquiry, Is it necessary that canteen serves only halal food in a halal certified products/factory?

 

Staff can either bring food and stored in a separate locker / food storage area or purchase food in the canteen. Our canteen serves halal and non-halal foods.

 

I need reference or guidelines on which halal certified factory can serve non-halal food.

 

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Posted 10 May 2016 - 09:14 AM   Best Answer

Hi Mandark ,

thanks for elaboration ,

Yes you can do it in condition that the process /design grantee that there is no way of mixing or wrong serving , the prompt GMP by accurate declaration/labeling , team awareness , cleaning practices , utilities coding is the main key .

Below is the details : 

In the Codex "GENERAL GUIDELINES FOR USE OF THE TERM “HALAL” CAC/GL 24-1997 

2.2 Notwithstanding Section 2.1 above:

2.2.1 halal food can be prepared, processed or stored in different sections or lines within the same premises where non-halal foods are produced, provided that necessary measures are taken to prevent any contact between halal and non-halal foods;

2.2.2 halal food can be prepared, processed, transported or stored using facilities which have been previously used for non-halal foods provided that proper cleaning procedures, according to Islamic requirements, have been observed.

 

also we can add to it 

 a) Free of, and not made of, or containing any part or substance taken or extracted from animal which are forbidden (Non Halal or HARAM) to be consumed by Muslims, according to Islamic laws.

b) Not containing any substances, which is declared as filth according to Islamic Laws.

c) Not prepared, processed, produced or manufactured using utensils, equipment and / or machinery which are not free from filthy substances as directed by Islamic Laws, and

d) During preparation, processing or storage, it should not come into contact or be in close proximity with any food which do not fulfill the requirements as stipulated in Paragraph (a), (b) or © or any substance declared as being filth according to Islamic Law.

 

So the most important is to total segregate ( close proximity means a potential risk of mixing )and clearly /promptly identify each one in a way that mixing or miss using is totally avoided , it is required prompt GMP any violation that can lead to a probability of wrong application , mixing , handling or blending of halal food with non halal food will be a serious violation , the ROLE IS MAKE THEM SEPARATED /IDENTIFIED

 

below is the link  as per your request for Codex alimentarius :

http://www.fao.org/f...%2FCXG_024e.pdf

 

also you can review this link for GSO

https://law.resource....e.ds.2008.pdf 

 

If you have more query about this fill free to share ,

 

Best regards ,

Ehab


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Posted 10 May 2016 - 03:25 PM

Hi All,

 

Is it necessary that canteen serves only non-halal food in a halal certified products/factory? Our employees are bringing their own food while canteen serves also non-halal food.

 

Regards.

Mandark

 

We are halal certified for certain products and on one of our sites we have a canteen.  Just in the same way as your canteen could, say, serve fish but there are no fish ingredients in the product you make in the factory, you would rely on your barrier controls to ensure someone didn't cart their cod and chips to the production line. 

 

When we've had halal audits we've never had an issue with what food the staff is eating.  We also produce non halal products, e.g. using alcohol as an ingredient.  We make sure that all staff are trained in a halal SOP and that there is a full clean between haram and halal products.


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Posted 10 May 2016 - 06:41 PM

We are halal certified for certain products and on one of our sites we have a canteen.  Just in the same way as your canteen could, say, serve fish but there are no fish ingredients in the product you make in the factory, you would rely on your barrier controls to ensure someone didn't cart their cod and chips to the production line. 

 

When we've had halal audits we've never had an issue with what food the staff is eating.  We also produce non halal products, e.g. using alcohol as an ingredient.  We make sure that all staff are trained in a halal SOP and that there is a full clean between haram and halal products.

 

Yes GMO , I agree , As above it is OK as far there is no way of mixing there is no problem , Halal certifying will not be affected by what is served in canteen , however , ethically ,same rules shall  be followed if the canteen is serving Muslims , it will not affect the certification but it is essential for Muslims to accept the served food .

Just more info : Fish itself is an ultimate halal food for Muslims .  


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Posted 12 May 2016 - 07:51 AM

Yes GMO , I agree , As above it is OK as far there is no way of mixing there is no problem , Halal certifying will not be affected by what is served in canteen , however , ethically ,same rules shall  be followed if the canteen is serving Muslims , it will not affect the certification but it is essential for Muslims to accept the served food .

Just more info : Fish itself is an ultimate halal food for Muslims .  

 

Yes as long as it's not shellfish!  My point was that controlling halal is very similar to controlling allergens and if you think of it in the same way, it's not an issue. 

 

For serving Muslim staff, that is more of an ethical and welfare issue I would say.


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