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#1 Almaskati

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Posted 12 June 2016 - 10:01 AM

Hello all,

 

 

Can you please help me in the below table.

 

Are these all the ISO mandatory procedures or I missed/ or added something not mandatory???

 

 

1

Procedure for Food Product Recall

2

Procedure for Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point Plan

3

Procedure for Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point

4

Procedure for Calibration of Monitoring and Measuring Equipment

5

Procedure for Emergency Preparedness and Response

6

Procedure for Management Review

7

Procedure for Correction and  Corrective Action

8

Procedure for Control of Documents

9

Procedure for  Control of Records

10

Procedure for Handling of Customer Complaints

11

Procedure for Competence, Awareness and Training

12

Procedure for General Cleaning & Housekeeping

13

Procedure for Maintenance of Equipment’s, Machineries and Tools

14

Procedure for Internal Audit

15

Procedure for Pest Control

16

Procedure for Personnel Hygiene

17

Procedure for Waste Disposal

18

Procedure for Identification & Traceability

19

Procedure for Internal & External Communication

20

Procedure Handling of Unsafe Non-Conforming Food products

21

Procedure for Purchase

22

Procedure For Control Of Allergens

23

Procedure for Import

 

 

 

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Posted 12 June 2016 - 11:17 AM

Hi Almaskati,

 

By "mandatory", do you mean documented ?


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Posted 12 June 2016 - 08:00 PM

Hello dear

I mean ... according to ISO 22000 there will be mandatory procedures.

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Posted 13 June 2016 - 04:08 AM

Yes shall be documented

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Posted 14 June 2016 - 01:02 PM

Yes, this is all mandatory procedures.  Not having any one may lead to a possible finding during your audit sessions.


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Posted 14 June 2016 - 03:37 PM

Hi Almaskati,

 

>>>

 

http://www.ifsqn.com...000/#entry64602

 

Looks like you underestimated.

 

This thread may also be of some interest -

 

http://www.ifsqn.com...d-by-iso-22000/


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Posted 15 June 2016 - 03:42 PM

Thank you

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 12:39 PM

Mandatory are:

4.2.2

4.2.3

7.6.5

7.10.1

7.10.2

7.10.3

7.10.4

8.4.1


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#9 Charles.C

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 02:19 PM

Mandatory are:

4.2.2

4.2.3

7.6.5

7.10.1

7.10.2

7.10.3

7.10.4

8.4.1

 

Thks for  the input.

Can you clarify the reason ?


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Posted 22 June 2016 - 02:56 PM

Thks for  the input.

Can you clarify the reason ?

Because the ISO 22000 requires that these procedures must be documented.

The others,you should have procedures,but not necesary documented.

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 03:24 PM

Because the ISO 22000 requires that these procedures must be documented.

The others,you should have procedures,but not necesary documented.

grettings

 

Hi marcelo,

 

Sorry to disagree but a scan of the Standard shows many more references to "documented" than  those you mention..

 

"Procedures" is a rather ambiguous terminology.


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Posted 22 June 2016 - 04:56 PM

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 02:02 PM

Hi marcelo,

 

Sorry to disagree but a scan of the Standard shows many more references to "documented" than  those you mention..

 

"Procedures" is a rather ambiguous terminology.

I have to agree with Marcelo on this point - the original post asked about 'mandatory' procedures. ISO is very clear regarding this and if the standard states the specific words 'documented procedure(s)', then - and only then - are you required to have a procedure which covers that clause of the relevant standard. It doesn't matter if the words 'documented' or 'procedure' appears separately - the specific requirement for mandatory procedures, as asked by the original poster, is only when the standard states that documented procedures shall be established.

 

Yes, the standard is littered with various other mandatory records etc (as described in the linked posts above) but the query here related to procedures - a very specific requirement which i don't find ambiguous in any way.


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Posted 20 August 2016 - 12:40 AM

Hi jorge,

 

Within the context of the OP/Post4, these iso22000/iso22004 quotes seem to me to best specify the scope of an appropriate reply  -

 

General

The food safety management system documentation shall include

a) documented statements of a food safety policy and related objectives (see 5.2),

b) documented procedures and records required by this International Standard, and

c) documents needed by the organization to ensure the effective development, implementation and updating of the food safety management system

 

 

Where ISO 22000 refers to a documented procedure or statement, this should be interpreted to mean that the procedure or statement is established, documented, implemented, reviewed and maintained by the organization as part of  the food safety management  system.  Documents  that usually form part of the system include product specifications, HACCP plans, operational PRPs and PRPs  and  other required  operating   procedures,  including contracts for any outsourced processes (e.g. pest control, product testing). The documents used by the organization should be available when and where required and may be in any valid format (e.g. paper, electronic or picture)

 

 

With respect to "Mandatory procedures" I noticed this approach in an  article on ISO22000 which seemed useful to me. “Mandatory Procedures” is defined as per the categories (b,c) in 1st quote above, ie  -

 

Mandatory Procedures = (i) Procedures mandated by the Standard + (ii) Procedures considered  necessary by the FBO for managing Food Safety.

(FBO = Food Business Operator)

(i) for iso22000 is equated to the set of iso22000 textually specified “documentation procedures”  while (ii) is to be "determined" by the “Business”

(I would expect all significantly relevant procedures in (ii) to be documented).

 

Currently I suspect that, for iso22000, the terminology “Mandatory Procedures” (MPs) is mainly being used as a promotional tool, eg two examples of 14 MPs -

http://iso22000-food...procedures.html

http://global-certif...l-manager-group

 

Afaik, there is no specific requirement in iso22000 to present a list of "Mandatory Procedures". If so, IMO, it's simpler to avoid the terminology all together.


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