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Posted 17 June 2016 - 07:47 PM

How to understand and comply with FSSC 22000

 

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Friday, June 24, 2016 - 03:00 PM - 04:00 PM UK Time

This is a 10.00 AM Eastern US Start

 

Presenter:

 

Jules Roger, Independent Technical Expert, FSSC 22000

 

Webinar Overview:

 

FSSC 22000 is fully recognized by the Global Food Safety Initiative (GFSI) and is based on existing ISO Standards. It demonstrates a company has a robust and effective food safety management system (FSMS) in place to meet the requirements of regulators, customers and consumers.  This webinar will update attendees on the changes contained in Version 4 of the FSSC 22000 standard and provide practical insight that will help you comply with the latest requirements. 

 

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Posted 24 June 2016 - 04:11 PM

Unedited chat logs from today's webinar:

 

As Jules could not join live today and answer your questions we will follow up with you all by email.

 

Wendy : Good morning from Harrisburg PA
Joanne Sandford : Good morning from Toronto, Ontario
Niesha : Good morning/afternoon/night from Jamaica
Aliyu : Good Afternoon from Abuja, Nigeria
Robyn : Good morning from West Perth Ontario 
Gene : Good morning all from Savannah Tn.
Olena : Hi from Toronto 
Ray Carrion : Good morning from Chicago, IL
Alzbeta : Good afternoon from Bratislava Slovakia
kelen tostes : good morning, Fortaleza, Ceará, Brasil
sunil : good monrning every one
Aisha : Hi Aisha from Trinidad WI
Rener De Jesus : philippines!
Igor : Hi frorm Prague
Yoichi : Good evening from Japan
Cindy Freeman : Good Morning from Tipp City, OH
Laura Higgins : good morning from hartland wisconsin
oneheata : hi Oneheata from Jamaica
Stuart : Good Morning from Valders, Wisconsin
Sujit : Hi Good Evening 
Sujit : Here Sujit from India
Olena : Hi from Toronto.  Olena
Luis Gomez : GOOD MORNING ALL FROM CUMANÃ, VENEZUELA
Victor Rivera : Good morning from Puerto Rico!
Niesha : Sad to hear the presenter is not present
Carlton : Good morning from Carlton Patterson Redlands CA
Atil : HI, ATIL FROM TR.
Joven : hi from Indonesia
Lance Cranford : Good Morning from Las Vegas
Sinem : Good evening from Turkey
Dusan : Hi from Serbia!
sunil : Good morning- India
Teresa : Hi evrybody, from Porto Portugal
Brane : Hi from Bosnia
Milynda : God Morning Milynda from Jamaica
Angel Aponte : Greetings from Puerto Rico!
mawusi : Good afternoo
RALIJERSON : Hello from Madagascar
sara : Good Morning from Seattle
Isabel : hello, from porto - portugal
Danny Wong : hi from Malaysia
Amit : hi . amit prabhakar from india
Lori : Hi from NJ!
Joyce : Good afternoon all
David Levy : SHALOM EveryBody from ISRAEL!!!
Maria : Hi from Madrid, Spain
Anish Habiba : Good evening from Anish Habiba Kuwait
Joyce : Porto - Portugal! My favourite!
Ariane : Good morning from Toronto
Margarida : Hello from lisbon
Narongchai : I do not see any published version 4 from FSSC website.
Teresa : hello Joyce thank you
Lorena : Tirana Albania
wanda : Good morning everyoneThis is my first time to attend a webinar here. How long does it usually last? :)
valeria netto : good morning Valeria Netto, Guelph/ON, Canada
Agnieszka : Hello from Poland!
Tadas Plauska : hello Tadas from UK
Joyce : hello Teresa
Natalia : Hello from Russia 
Sabina : Hello from texas
Niesha : Narongchai the presenter said it will be completed in October 2016
mawusi : Hello Natalia
Simon Timperley : Welcome food safety friends from all around the wrold.
FAYAJ : Hello
Rigelsa : Hi from Tirana, Albania
SAM JUNG : Calgary Canada here!
María José : Hello from Ecuador - Ecuadorian Accreditation Body
Jason : Good day from East Texas
SAM JUNG : Hello
Narongchai : @Niesha, Thanks
Nouri : Nouri Hussain .Dublin
Niesha : Your welcome
sunil : Hi, Sam jung
Alicia : Good morning from New York. 
SAM JUNG : Hi Sunil
Lorraine Jane : 10pm here in the Philippines. Good pm everyone.
ayman : Hello from Egypt  
Carlos : Hi, good day from Barcelona
Nouri : Nouri hussain from Ireland.have enjoy time
Lorraine Jane : This is my first time to attend a webinar here. How long does it usually last? :)
Anabell Payés : Good morning from El Salvador, Central America
Beatriz : Good morning everyone! from Cordoba, Argentina
Rener De Jesus : at least one hour lorraine
Rener De Jesus : sabi ni simon 30 mins ang recorded vid
Lorraine Jane : Alright. Thanks Rener.
sainath : hi nouri
David Levy : Simon, Is there any ideaqtalks about the BREXIT influence upon (mainly food) regulations?
Joven : 1 hour Lorraine
sunil : thanks for kind reply-Sam
pATRICIA : hello Patricia from canada
Niesha : Unannounced audits, whooi and GOOD
luis velasquez : hola
Isabella Di Leonardo : same David Levy question
Simon Timperley : No David, there is a new topic started on our forum.  But it is way to early to say anything.  We are getting over the shock.
Carlos : Not voluntarry unnanounced audits?
Lorraine Jane : And another 30mins para sa q and a, rener? Thanks BTW, joven
Simon Timperley : Maybe a future webinar on post BREXIT changes/
sainath : hi
Rener De Jesus : dapat, kaso may problema ung speaker sa connection kaya yung  recorded vid ang play ngayon.
Rener De Jesus : usually, one hour tong free webinar nila.
Joven : An interesting topic Simon. We are looking forward!
Lorraine Jane : Ahh. Kanina pa ba nagstart? Na late ako eh.
María José : Hellow from Ecuador - Ecuadorian Accreditation Body
wanda : Good morning from NY.This is my first time to attend a webinar here. How long does it usually last? :)
Rener De Jesus : late ka lang ate ng mga 5 mins.
sainath : 1 hour wanda
Lorraine Jane : Okay. Thanks. 
Cynthia Joseph : I would like to know how BREXIT is going to influence the Food Safety Regulations in countries like India,  and around the world?
Cindy Freeman : Simon, will there be a topic that applies specifically to food packagers?
Alicia : Has anyone heard of producers in China using this tool?
sainath : Hello Cintia,
sainath : Impact on our image in the world Potential export tariffs or restrictions How food safety legislation will change (or will we have to accept EU rules without a seat at the table?)
Nkosinolwazi  Mdlalose : Hi Everyone please help with explaining what are pilot audits?
David Levy : Looking forward for suh webinar, Thanks!
Joven : Lorraine if you want to view again the full webinar you can access the recorded video . An email will be sent to you after 24 hours.
penelope dubula : I m enjoying it guys
Niesha : What are pilot audits?
Narongchai : Is there any change in 'FSSC additional requirements"?
James : Could you please provide the 2 links for the mitigation tool?
penelope dubula : What  are pilots audits
Cindy Freeman : Will there be future webinars for food packagers?
Joven : Cindy you can view the upcominng webinars schedule at the IFSQN website
David : Report formats on Version 4. Can you provde to us more information?  
Cindy Freeman : Joven, thank you.
Lorraine Jane : Noted, joven
sunil : Mr, Sam JUng may get your contact details
Narongchai : What it shte point of view for food fraud in FSSC? Is it in terms of food safety or economic gain?
Anabell Payés : The FSSC 22000 -Q integrate the food safety and food quality systems in one standard?
wanda : Thank you sainath
Joven : I think it will be in terms of food safety Narongchai given fssc is a food safety certification
Anabell Payés : If a food company allready have an ISo 9001: 2015 certificate system, it  would be better to move for a FSSC 22000 Q and have 1 integrated system?
Narongchai : If there is additional module of FSMA, is there additonal certificate issued with FSSC?
Niesha : Transition Period: Does that mean that new companies need to have a system with 12 months worth of documentation in order to apply for FSSC 22000 V 4?
Izabella Simplício : The upgrade to the new version of FSSC V4 can be with a surveillance audit?
Jan : What means unannounced ? Really unannounced or eg. unannounced in a predertermined period such as 1 month or 1 quarter ?
sunil : food safety and economic gain are closely related to each other.
Narongchai : @Joven, if it is food safety why FSSC refers to horsemeat scandal?
María José : What time of transition aplicate to certiication bodies for the to implement the new requeriments?
Alicia : Sunil, i agree that food safety and economic gain are closely related,  but not food safety breaches are due to seeking economic gain
Joven : horsemeat scandal is also a food safety issue
MAATOUK : How can we align ISO 9001:2015 on FSSC 22000 new version ?
wanda : Wanda What means unannounced ? Really unannounced or eg. unannounced in a predertermined period such as 1 month or 1 quarter ?
Narongchai : CAAT requirements can be downloaded from www.iaf.nu
Simon Timperley : Thanks Narongchai
Niesha : Thanks Narongchai
Carlos : Thanks, interestnig webinar
Carlton : Do we get a copy of the presentaton /recorded version?
Narongchai : Carlton, Simon will send both of them later.
Rener De Jesus : FSSC is totally different from FSMA, and GFSI?
ayman : thanks
Niesha : Simon, I have not received last week's copy of the presentation
Simon Timperley : contact team@ifsqn.com with your query
Narongchai : Rener De Jesus, you can see the publication the diiference of FSSC and FSMA from FSSC website.
Atil : when we arrange the audit plan, FSSC 22000 seems to be longer than BRC, what is the reason for this? The customers are not willing to hear this.
sunil : Alicia, why not? For economic gain, either you will alter the ingredients or process,. Food safety  means long term safety. Don't mind it is just my idea. 
Narongchai : Atil, I think the audit duration for FSSC is based on ISO/TS 22003.
Izabella Simplício : Anyone can have access to this template?
Theophilus Fon Anyam : How are unannoounce audits going to be managed. Will the auditor show up at any time of the year or there is a time frame witin which the auditor can show up at the auditees premises? SQF already has unanounce audits in their program and this is audits are done within 30 days before and after the  
Theophilus Fon Anyam : date of the first audit
Atil : I think so, but if there is a change going to be happening with the new version
David Levy : Thanks Simon and Jules!!!
Carina Lim : thanks!!
Ray Carrion : Thanks Simon and Jules
Niesha : Thank you Simon and Jules
Sabina : Thanks Jules and Simon
Eva : Thank you!
Anabell Payés : Thank you Simon blessings
Narongchai : Thanks
Adriana Pérez : Thanks!
Hope : Thanks Simon & Jules (from Lucynth)
Sze : Thanks
Alzbeta : thanks for webinar
Alicia :  Sunil, i don't disagree that it is important, just that not ALL breaches are due to seaking economic gain.  Sometimes there are other issues that impact production.  That's why standards and good practices are so important.
Cindy Freeman : Thank you
Anish Habiba : Thanks to the presenter. It is really good info
sunil : Thanks, Simon
Natalia : Thank you for interesting Webinar 
Rener De Jesus : thanks!
Teresa : Thank you Simon and Jules Have a nice ST Johns day, yes today is holiday here in Oporto city Portugal we commemorate this day
 

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Posted 29 June 2016 - 01:55 PM

As promised posted below the replies from Jules Roger.

 

The presenter said it will be completed in October 2016?

Currently the Foundation FSSC 22000 is working on version 4 of the FSSC 22000 scheme documents. We expect that FSSC 22000 version 4 will be published in the beginning of October 2016 prior to the FSSC 22000 Harmonization Events 2016.

Not voluntary unannounced audits?

 

The FSSC 22000 unannounced audit program will be mandatory for the FSSC 22000 certified organizations. During the three year certification cycle one of the two surveillance audits have to be replaced by an unannounced audit.

Please help with explaining what are pilot audits?

 

I think this is a misunderstanding. As explained during the webinar, the Foundation FSSC 22000 has performed a pilot for unannounced audits. CBs and FSSC 22000 certified organizations have participated in this pilot program. The results of the pilot was used to develop the FSSC 22000 unannounced audit program.

 

Is there any change in 'FSSC additional requirements?

Yes, there are new additional requirements added. Food Fraud and Food Defense are new additional requirements.

 

Could you please provide the 2 links for the mitigation tool?

www.ssafe-food.org

www.pwc.com/food fraud

 

Report formats on Version 4. Can you provide to us more information?  

 

The audit report template for the FSSC 22000 audit report is currently under development. Organizations and CBs will be informed timely and there will be ample time for implementation of the new mandatory audit report.

 

What it the point of view for food fraud in FSSC?

 

Is it in terms of food safety or economic gain? "Food Fraud - The intentional adulteration of food with the intention to deceive and motivated by the prospect of financial or economic gain."

The FSSC 22000 -Q integrate the food safety and food quality systems in one standard?

FSSC 22000-Q integrates FSSC 22000 and ISO 9001. One integrated audit that results in one integrated certificate, integrating food safety and food quality.

If a food company already have an ISO 9001: 2015 certificate system, it  would be better to move for a FSSC 22000 Q and have 1 integrated system

 

Yes, this can be an advantage for a certified organization to integrate the two standards in one certificate.

 

If there is additional module of FSMA, is there additional certificate issued with FSSC?

 

No, FSSC 22000 does not have a dedicated FSMA module.

 

The upgrade to the new version of FSSC V4 can be with a surveillance audit?

 

Yes, that can be possible. Please contact your certification body for more information.

 

What means unannounced ? Really unannounced or e.g.. unannounced in a predetermined period such as 1 month or 1 quarter ?

 

The certified organization is not notified in advance. The audit is a so-called "surprise audit", really unannounced.

 

If it is food safety why FSSC refers to horsemeat scandal?"

 

The horse-meat scandal was one of the triggers for regulators and the GFSI to demand for unannounced audits.

 

How can we align ISO 9001:2015 on FSSC 22000 new version ?

The FSSC 22000 version Q-Module will use ISO 9001:2015. After publication of FSSC 22000 version  4 you can certify organizations using ISO 9001:2015.

 

FSSC is totally different from FSMA, and GFSI?

 

FSSC 22000 is a private certification scheme for certifying food safety management systems (FSMS). FSSC 22000 is recognized by the Global Food Safety Initiative (GFSI). The Food Safety Modernization Act (FSMA) is USA legislation.

 

You can see the publication the difference of FSSC and FSMA from FSSC website." FSSC 22000 has been compared with FSMA by the Acheson Group (TAG). The result of the comparison can be found on the FSSC 22000 website. www.fssc22000.com

When we arrange the audit plan, FSSC 22000 seems to be longer than BRC, what is the reason for this? The customers are not willing to hear this.

 

FSSC 22000 has its own requirements for the audit time calculation. This is the minimum time needed to conduct an full FSSC 22000 audit.

 

I think so, but if there is a change going to be happening with the new version?

 

"Need to revise the FSSC 22000 Scheme in 2016:

 

Updating current FSSC 22000 Requirements

Expected publication of GFSI BR Version 7

Government expectations esp. NL, UK, FR and USA (FSMA)"


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Posted 30 June 2016 - 03:14 AM

Dear,

 

As FSSC relates to food safety only  so If the food fraud is not related food safety issue, I think the no need to assess for FSSC. It is not like BRC/IFS as both of them related to food safety and food quality. Am I right?

 

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Posted 29 July 2016 - 07:06 PM

Dear,

 

As FSSC relates to food safety only  so If the food fraud is not related food safety issue, I think the no need to assess for FSSC. It is not like BRC/IFS as both of them related to food safety and food quality. Am I right?

 

KK

 

But could some forms of food fraud also be a food safety concern?

 

I can think of one, melamine in infant formula.  It was a fraud to bulk up the protein, but it killed babies.

 

Until you do the assessment for your particular product and industry you will not understand the realistic threats and the hazards created by the potential fraud. I think it is a good thing to do irrespective of whether required by a standard or not.

 

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