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Posted 31 July 2016 - 08:30 AM

Dear mates,

 

What's are the differences between differnet HACCP approaches e.g CAC HACCP, NACMCF HACCP, European HACCP (Dutch HACCP, UK HACCP), Australian/NZ HACCP...if any?

 

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Posted 31 July 2016 - 07:16 PM

Dear mates,

 

What's are the differences between differnet HACCP approaches e.g (1) CAC HACCP, (2) NACMCF HACCP, European HACCP ((3) Dutch HACCP, (4) UK HACCP), (5/6) Australian/NZ HACCP...if any?

 

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Hi Mohamed,

 

Yr query has a rather large scope.

 

I expect the CAC one = Codex.

 

I'm not directly familiar with all 6 "species" but I predict there are 3 main roots in yr list, ie 1-3.

 

IMO most of the ones in yr list probably derive from Codex(1), NACMCF(2), Dutch(3) -- Nos 4,5,6 are probably oriented to (1) (I'm guessing).

 

(1,2) were theoretically, conceptually "harmonised" in mid 1990s although there are still some differences, eg (2) includes control points and lists PRP options. Some of the definitions, from memory, are also slightly different, eg Validation.

 

I have not used Dutch HACCP recently but it's probably quite similar to (1,2)  but with a few individual characteristics (guessing again).

 

Do you have any specific areas of interest ?


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 06:56 AM

Hi Mohamed,

 

Yr query has a rather large scope.

 

I expect the CAC one = Codex.

 

I'm not directly familiar with all 6 "species" but I predict there are 3 main roots in yr list, ie 1-3.

 

IMO most of the ones in yr list probably derive from Codex(1), NACMCF(2), Dutch(3) -- Nos 4,5,6 are probably oriented to (1) (I'm guessing).

 

(1,2) were theoretically, conceptually "harmonised" in mid 1990s although there are still some differences, eg (2) includes control points and lists PRP options. Some of the definitions, from memory, are also slightly different, eg Validation.

 

I have not used Dutch HACCP recently but it's probably quite similar to (1,2)  but with a few individual characteristics (guessing again).

 

Do you have any specific areas of interest ?

Hi Charles, Many thanks,

you are right, CAC is codex 

All you mentioned is right 100 %, thanks again, but I still need further and deeper info, as I am working on a project on different HACCP approaches but I got no source on that topic when googling it 

 

Thanks again 


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 10:48 AM

Hi Mohamed,

Do you mean different in the sense of historical development or different in the sense of current application ?

If the latter meaning, I suggest there are two main lines, namely that of Codex - HACCP and ISO - HACCP respectively.

If above is correct interpretation I can probably find some information. Pls inform.


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Posted 01 August 2016 - 11:29 AM

yes, it is 

 

I mean technical differences, differences in application 

 

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Posted 01 August 2016 - 11:34 AM

Hi Mohamed,

Do you mean different in the sense of historical development or different in the sense of current application ?

If the latter meaning, I suggest there are two main lines, namely that of Codex - HACCP and ISO - HACCP respectively.

If above is correct interpretation I can probably find some information. Pls inform.

yes, it is 

 

I mean technical differences, differences in application, requirements, etc

 

thanks in advance


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 07:34 AM

Hi Mohamed,

 

Sorry for delay but had to look through some archives.

 

As previously noted I think there are 2 main lines regarding Global HACCP implementation, principally derived via Codex/NACMCF(CN) and ISO22000, ie  –

 

(1) Codex/NACMCF
(2) Dutch HACCP (eg GMP+)/ISO22000-ISO22004/FSSC22000

 

Operationally from a  HACCP POV, ISO22000 re-orients the Codex/NACMCF (CN) concept of HACCP so as to (hopefully) remedy certain perceived limitations of the CN approach. Notably this involved an adjustment from the CN emphasis on “finding CCPs” to focus more on control measures. Particularly  demonstrated by the invention/introduction of OPRPs (the concept of OPRP has an analogy in Dutch HACCP).

 

I anticipate you are familiar with the detailed application of No1 as laid out in their well-known HACCP publications. Accordingly I have focused on the HACCP differences between ISO22000 and No.1.
(It should be noted that ISO22004 also contains some excellent material  intended to clarify various HACCP aspects of ISO22000).

 

I have attached 3 documents which discuss the HACCP objectives (et al) in ISO22000 and the differences with respect to CN (et al).

 

Attached File  iso1 - ISO22000 - FAQs.pdf   239.11KB   28 downloads

Attached File  iso2 - ISO 22000 & Codex.pdf   323.78KB   33 downloads
Attached File  iso3 - ISO22000 Certification with respect to BRC-IFS.pdf   698.81KB   28 downloads

 

Subsequently the PRP aspect of ISO22000 has been further modified via  the introduction of  FSSC22000 but afaik the basic ISO-HACCP philosophy remains unchanged.

 

PS - Maybe HARPC will be a 3rd Line.


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 09:41 AM

Thanks a lot charles, it's clear enough, I'll read these 3 valuable texts, come back to you (if you don't mind), if any question 

 

just small question; CN means? children nutrition? 

 

Much Regards,

Gamal


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 10:11 AM

Hi Mohamed Gamal,

CN = Codex/NACMCF (see line 7 of text)

Queries welcome although may not always be answerable. :smile:


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