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#1 Crabrays

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 03:11 PM

Does anyone have information on using map for product packing is it consider high risk or does it have labeling requirements thank you


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Posted 27 April 2017 - 03:41 PM

Does anyone have information on using map for product packing is it consider high risk or does it have labeling requirements thank you

 

 In the context of the packaging or the food ? (since posted in packaging forum)

 

How do you interpret  "high risk" ?

 

The risk likely depends on the intended application.


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 02:52 PM

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Some possible food safety-related risks are detailed here -

 

https://www.fda.gov/...e/ucm188201.htm


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 05:48 AM

In the UK you have to label the food "packaged in a protective atmosphere".  I strongly suspect no average consumer in the UK has any idea what that means.

 

As for "if it fails it it a CCP?" which is what I think you're asking?  It will obviously depend on your process but I've not come across an MAP yet which is for food safety reasons, it's normally food quality.


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 08:11 AM

In the UK you have to label the food "packaged in a protective atmosphere".  I strongly suspect no average consumer in the UK has any idea what that means.

 

As for "if it fails it it a CCP?" which is what I think you're asking?  It will obviously depend on your process but I've not come across an MAP yet which is for food safety reasons, it's normally food quality.

Hi GMO,

 

Offhand i would agree with you but it maybe also depends on how one defines/categorizes  "MAP".

 

See link in Post 3


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 10:55 AM

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Expanding Post 3, the OP may have been "risk"  thinking about this -

 

Attached File  vacuum-MAP packed chilled foods.pdf   311.94KB   22 downloads

 

 


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 12:58 PM

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Expanding Post 3, the OP may have been "risk"  thinking about this -

 

attachicon.gifvacuum-MAP packed chilled foods.pdf

 

I understand what you're saying but that's the wrong way round.  If you were going to make it a CCP, then yes, MAP packing can be a food safety risk for C. botulinum but only if it's effective and your life and controls limit the risk of C. botulinum presence and growth. So, for it to be a CCP the only real concern with MAP is shelf life, if it went wrong so more oxygen was present, it's less likely C. botulinum would grow so still a "no" IMO.


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 02:42 PM

Thank for the information we will be using Map for shelf life reasons.  Does anyone know if we need to put the map packaging on the labels?


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 03:11 PM

I understand what you're saying but that's the wrong way round.  If you were going to make it a CCP, then yes, MAP packing can be a food safety risk for C. botulinum but only if it's effective and your life and controls limit the risk of C. botulinum presence and growth. So, for it to be a CCP the only real concern with MAP is shelf life, if it went wrong so more oxygen was present, it's less likely C. botulinum would grow so still a "no" IMO.

Hi GMO,

 

TBH I was merely trying to demonstrate, in the context of the OP, that there can be a significant risk. :smile:

The rest depends on what  the OP is actually talking about. Remains unknown.


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 03:22 PM

The short answer is NO you do not

www.fda.gov/food/guidanceregulation/retailfoodprotection/foodcode/ucm188201.htm

 

From the above document  (ROP= reduced oxygen packaging)

 

"Consumers have come to expect that certain packages of foods would be safe without refrigeration. Low-acid canned foods have been thermally processed, which renders the food shelf-stable. Retort heating ensures the destruction of C. botulinum spores as well as all other foodborne pathogens. Yet consumers may not understand that most products that are packaged in ROP are not commercially sterile or shelf-stable and must be refrigerated. A clear label statement to keep the product refrigerated must be provided to consumers."


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