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Posted 24 September 2017 - 07:10 PM

Compressed Air Testing: How to Pass Your Next Audit

 

Taking place:

Friday, September 29, 2017 - 03:00 PM - 04:00 PM UK Time

This is a 10.00 AM Eastern US Start
 
Presenter:

Ruby Ochoa, President/Owner, Trace Analytics, LLC 
 

Webinar Overview:

Many food safety organizations (SQF, BRC, FSSC, primusGFS, IFS) are including compressed air monitoring as one of their requirements. Ruby Ochoa, President and Owner of Trace Analytics, will address what these requirements are, which compressed air standards you should be using, how to create a monitoring program, and how HACCP principles apply to your compressed air system. Come see what you should be doing to prepare for your next audit.
 
 

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Posted 29 September 2017 - 06:05 PM

Chat logs from today's webinar.

 

Tausi Abdul Mkalimoto : Hi,
Loni : Good Morning from Canton OH USA
Preetam : Hi Good morning, good noon, good evening.from India
Tausi Abdul Mkalimoto : Hi everyone,
Jennifer : Good morning from Idaho, US 
Oluwadamilare : Hello, Good morning everyone
RALIJERSON : Hello from Madagascar !
Claudia : good morning from CHILE
susan : Hi from Tennessee
Lisa : Good Morning from Harvest Hill Beverage in Verona, PA
ABDERRAOUF : hello;
Brian : Good morning from sunny southern Minnesota
Rosie : has it started yet?
Raquel Alonso : Hello from Spain
Delia : Good morning fro Jamaica
Greg : Greg, Long Island NY
Ahmed : Hello, Ahmed from Kuwait
Harwin : Hi from Paramaribo, Surinam
BK : Good morning from Canada
Wilder : Good morning from Iowa
orlando : good morning from Arlington Texas
Jeff : Hello from Ohio 
Chitrangani : Good day for you all !!  from Edmonton Canada
Hortense : Hello from Portugal
Donna Bromfield : Good morning from Albuquerque, NM, USA
Racheal : Hello from Michigan
Kim : Happy Nation Coffee Day from Kim at Lacas Coffee!
Anne : Hello from the Netherlands
Stuart : Hello ALL from Wisconsin
Xereen : Hello from Malaysia
Kim : Good morning from Seattle WA
Darwin : hello from Indonesia
ROHINI GOSAVI : Hello Rohini from india. Good evening
Alyssa : good morning from usually sunny New Mexico
Christian : Hi ..from BrAZIL
Torrey : Hello from Texas
Nizar : Good Morning from Canada
Edith Armanetti : Hi, Edith from Uruguay
Urszula Walczak : halo from Poland
Tatiana Axenti : hello from Denmark
Amit : Good morning Amit from US
Mandip : Hello from Canada
steve : audio??
sandra : Good morning from New York
Rosie : i cant se anything, what format is the webinar in?
VASUDEVAN : Good morning -Vasu from Canada
Mandip : Has it started?
Carlos Rodrigues : Good morning all
Muhammad Zahir : Hi. This is M. Z. Ghori 
Tatiana Axenti : here we  go
Susan : Made sound
Torrey : There is an issue with the sound
Sarika : Hello
Chitrangani : Still live stream offline  
Raquel Alonso : The audio isn't ok
Tadas : hello
natalia tsumanets : Hello from Russia
Todd : hi there.  Todd from Northern Jersey
jimmy : Hi from backward Devon
Marina : HI!  From Wisconsin
Anggoro : hello
Neena : Hello Everyone
Tausi Abdul Mkalimoto : Hi,
Jacinthe : Hello from Québec
Marka Peterson : Hello from Austin, Texas
Lupita : Hello from Mexico
ABDERRAOUF : hello from turkey 
ebenezer : Hello everyone
asatamaria67 : Good morning
Aristide : Hi from Ivory Coast
Delia : I am neither seeing nor hearing anything
Kim : USA YEs
linda phillips : USA Yes
Michelle : USA
Sharon : yes
BK : Yes, Canada
Anh : Hello from Vietnam
Heather : yes
Mandip : canada
Jorge : Morning, Jorge from Belize
Lisa : yes
Alyssa : we can hear you but maybe she cannot?
Adam : Meets and greets to all of the Compressed AIr Testing folks our there from North Carolina, USA
Jeanne Brien : USA
Jorge : Belize ... no
omar elshebli : yes jordan
Ahmed : Kuwait No
Tausi Abdul Mkalimoto : I can't see has the presentation started.Greetings from Tanzania
RABIU : netwrok bad
Anne Marie : i cannot hear or see presentation
Trevor : I can hear Simon
Atcharaporn : Hello from Thailand
Leslie : anyone having audio issues?
Sujit Kumar : India no
Carissa : I cannot see or hear anything...
Sujit Kumar : No india
Stephen : Stephen skinner Trinidad
Simon Timperley : we are running, if you cannot see or hear then youtube may be blocked in your business
Maxine : Hi Marlan
Jen : Thank you Torrey. I'm having problems proving to maintenance that they need to install filters closer to POU, but there is no official regulation for me to present to them for reason to do the work.
Mary Claire : good day to you
Torrey : Jorge, let Trace know if you would like them to train your staff - they sometimes do guest presentations.
Marlan : Hi Maine 
RABIU : iHi Rabiu from Ghana
Greg : United States
Torrey : Carissa, try refreshing your feed - little blue button at the bottom of the screen
Trevor : No audio issues. Use a desktop or laptop. Mobile doesn't work well. 
Alyssa : if you cannot hear or see the presentation, you might try a different browser like Chrome, or it may be blocked as SImon says
Todd : Does compressed only  need to be monitored if there is direct food contact or even if just used to run the equipment, but no compressed air directly blowing on the food. packaging or sufaces.
aseel : i can't hear and see also
Chris : if you can't hear or see presentation, try chrome or firefox browser
Neena : Try to refresh
Davcid Kallay : I have no video or sound is there a call in number so I can hear the presentation?
Simon Timperley : David try google chrome
Torrey : Todd - indirect contact from compressed air should also be monitored according to BCAS
Oluwadamilare : Yes
Torrey : That includes packaging, conveyor belt cleaning, and pneumatic tools
Jema : Hi! Jema from Nigeria
Todd : Thanks Torrey
Oluwadamilare : I am actually from Nigeria but live in the United State.
Oluwadamilare : Both regulate compressed air quality
Ahmed : Is there any microbiological standards for air samples 
Jorge : Hi, does anyone know if we can get this webinar after. Would like to show use for company training.
Jen : how close to point of use must the filter be placed?
Tausi Abdul Mkalimoto : I am still phasing some difficulties on connections ,tried Google Chrome but it doesn't show anything.
Edwarda : Hi from Poland!
Simon Timperley : yes  Jorge
Jorge : Thanks Simon. 
Torrey : Ahmed, there are not specifications in the food industry, but regulating bodies do require that they be monitored. Corporate specs should depend on your risk assessment and critical control points.
marcia : HI
Torrey : Jen, as close to the point-of-use as possible.
Marlan : Marlan Cole -Director Food and Drug Department Guyana 
Marlan : Hi All 
Simon Timperley : Torrey can you get a message to Nikki to turn my volume up a little so that they can hear me.
Mimoza : Mimoza  Canada
RABIU : hello from Ghana
Mary Claire : what is the standard schedule and parameters to be check for compressed air testing
Judy : Judy New Jersey
Mary Claire : what are the critical limits of the prameters being tested for the compressed air?
Torrey : Jen, great point. SQF suggests point-of-use filters. 11.5.7 Edition 8 refers to risk factors that assist in determining location and frequency of filtration.
Christy : Hello from Jackson, TN
Vickie : I can't connect
Tami : Hi from PA
Torrey : Mary - I believe they will get into that shortly
Andrea : Hi from South Dakota
Wilder : do we still need to monitor compressed air if there is a final skill step on the product at all times?
Angie : How can we view this presentation again? I have to stop viewing early due to a meeting off site.
Mary Claire : Thank you Torrey
Torrey : Mary, critical limits (or specifications) are determined by a hazard analysis (risk to your product - I believe Trace did a previous webinar on this the other month with SQF)...
Nurani Sinaga : Hi from Indonesia
Angie : Will this link be emailed to us?
Torrey : Angie, you will receive an email with the presentation.
Philrose librado : Hi from Philippines
Simon Timperley : We email the recording and slides after the webinar.
RABIU : what are the parameters to be checked
Angie : Thank you Torrey!!
Torrey : Rabiu, they will mention this later in the presentation.
Wilder : Do we still need to have compressed air as a CCP if there is a kill step?
Torrey : Wilder, what is your final skill step?
RABIU : thanks tORRY
Jane : Hi everybody!
Wilder : Thermal kill step
Ying : hi
Torrey : Kill step* It depends on risks. It may kill microbes, but CAGI also mentions contaminants like particles, water, and oil
Aparna : Wilder, Compressed air will not be a CCP if there is a thermal step and this will be determined as per the decision tree.
Nizar : What piping material would you recommend for the compressed air?
Aparna : I mean thermal step after.
Torrey : Nizar, great question! Stainless steal. Trace has great materials on this in their previous webinar  -link posted earlier in the chat.
David : Is that risk assessment like a FMEA?
Wilder : Thank you Torrey and Aparna
Aparna : David, Yes it is like FMEA
Julia : Can you provide the website for the webinar?
Torrey : Julia, IFSQN
Carlos Rodrigues : Pennsylvania USA
Kirsi : Thanks in advance of recording and files because I am not able to see or hear at the moment - only this chats :)
Shamaail : How can we make use of this subject? 
Abdallah : Hello
Sujit Kumar : Where to find the draft copy of saplings procedure and schedule any link please 
Nizar : thanks Torrey for the info.
Torrey : Trace's risk assessment is specific to compressed air and has a blank risk assessment available for you to use. They may be able to send it out again with the followup email.
Lupita : The practices of changing certification auditors depend on the CErtification Body. It is not a general rule that the same auditor will stay with a company for three years
Torrey : Lupita, I believe she was referring to the client's SQF auditor.
Charlotte : air, product, water
linda phillips : water
Tricia : All
Krista : all of them
Jennifer : Air, water, environmental, and product 
Loni : Air & Water 
Caitlin : Envirnonmental testing, water, air, product
Alyssa : c. air, environ., atp surface, product
Michelle : Air, water, enviro and product.  We do not use steam
Kim : water, environmental, air
Mary Claire : yes we do all five test
Lorraine Caffrey : air, water, environmental, product
Julia : Water, steam, 
Tara : water/product
Andrea : environmental and product
Paul : water, air, environment, product
Mark : agua
David : Air, water, environment, product
Todd : Water, environmental, product
Heida : product water and steam
Tatiana Axenti : air, water,, product
Kris : Air, water, Environment, & product
Urszula Walczak : water and product
BK : Air, water, environment, product
Koi : all, except steam (we don't use in facility)
Barbara : Air, Water, Enviromental, and product.. 
Vanda : Air, Water, Enviroment & Product
Paula : air, water, environmental, product & raw material testing
Jen : all except steam (but the water is tested prior to becoming steam)
Maxine : water
Dylan : air, water, environment, product
Jeanne Brien : air, water, environmental and product
Susan : Air, water, env & product
Vanessa : water, environment, and product
Bernard : Water steam environment product air
Sharon : Air, Water, Steam, Environment, Product
ebenezer : Water, enviro & Products
Rosa : air, water, enviromental
Mandip : air, water at point of use, product and environment
krista : Air, water, environment, product
Racheal : water, product, steam
Dionne Mills : air, water, environment and product
Tami : Everything but steam
RALIJERSON : ALL
Melanie : Product, Air, Environment
PewLim : water
John : All but steam except for organic evaluations
Rachel : air, environment product contact surfaces
Lisa : air, water, environmental, product (HHBC)
Iryna Dyachenko : air, water, product and environment 
steve : air, water, enviro, product 
Ahmed : Air, water, product, 
Pat : air water environment product
Stuart : Water & Product
Aristide : Would that be the same for hand dryers?
Julia : all of them
Mandip : not steam
Mary Claire : air, water steam, environment product
Darwin : product
Raquel Alonso : all of them
Stephen : all
natalia tsumanets : all of listed
songmi : env. product, water
sandra : We do air, water, environment once per year. Product testing twicw per month
Mukesh : air
David : air and product
Kevin : al but steam
RABIU : Water and air
urszula : water, environment, product, air
Mimoza : Microbial testing on air, water, steam, environment, product
Stuart : Steam and Air to be added within 6 months
Chris : all but steam
Mahmoud : All
RALIJERSON : All
aseel : all of test 
Susan : ice
Alyssa : hand dryers
Peter Orji Uvere : product
Chris Chinapoo : Environment, product and air
aseel : all of test 
Julia : He is talking about hand dryers
omar elshebli : all
Patrick : Environ/ Air/ Comp-Air/ Water/ Product... How does one test for Steam?
Caleb : Water, environment, product
Brian : Simon, you're getting echo - try turning off your speaker volume when you are speaking
VASUDEVAN : Air and Water
Judy : All of tests
Kim : Air, water, Environment
Jen : For steam testing - does testing the water used apply?
Chitrangani : All of tests
asatamaria67 : water and environment
Neena : Hand dryers will not kill microbes. 
Torrey : Thank you, Neena
Simon Timperley : brian it is my voice coming out of ruby's speakers
David : A SQF auditor quested how clean is the air blowing onto the hands to dry them before entering a production area
Neena : The temperature is not high enough to kill microbes. neither vegetative cells nor spores
Brian : Ahh, OK...sorry, Simon!
Oluwadamilare : Air and Environment
Simon Timperley : no problem, in future we all need to wear earbuds
Tausi Abdul Mkalimoto : As I am trying to join it gives a message saying Problem with audio or video?
Torrey : Lupita, do you have the link to the other risk assessment?
Yehia : Hi everybody
Neena : @David, They recommend to dry hand to eliminate the possibility of water contaminants to stay low. not necessarily to completely eliminate them. that why we use sanitizers
Philrose librado : Hi from Philippines
Lupita : Torrey, the other risk assessment?
Torrey : FEM...
Brian : How do we know what Purity Class we should be attaining?
Lupita : Have you got a reference document about which ISO 8573-1 purity classes should be used for different food products?
Torrey : Brian, a hazard analysis is a great first step. The previous webinar covers this as well.
Torrey : Lupita - BCAS is one of the only organizations that mentions specifications for food. Indirect contact: 2:4:2 and Direct: 2:2:1
Ahmed : Can we categorize airborne micro organisms standards according to their sizes in the chart 
Torrey : Trace does have a document that has references for common corporate guidelines for certain product types that they have seen
Torrey : Ruby is on top of it! Perfectly in line with the questions :)
Lupita : Thanx for the info Torrey
Torrey : Any time, Lupita!
Nigel : HI from SA
Torrey : Neena, can you answer Ahmed's question?
Bernard : In the pharmaceutical wold, we have air classes like class A, B, C, D or ISo classes related to air particles. For compressed air, I get the requirment to be in line with the room air class. Is htere a table available which makes the link?
omar elshebli : thanx for information
Bernard : Thank you Torrey!
Tausi Abdul Mkalimoto : Thanks,
Torrey : This is what Ruby is talking about right now (microbial testing) - https://www.aircheck...ial-iso-8573-7/
Camille : Hi. No one in Jamaica has this equipment to test  for micoorganisms. How do we get around this? 
Darwin : what is this equipment?
Ahmed : Is it easy portable? 
Torrey : Darwin - impaction sampler per ISO 8573-7 methods. Trace uses the Pinocchio Super II.
Alyssa : We have a kill step (jar inversion) after product has had the lid applied (clean compressed air entry pt).  would this still be considered a CCP, the c. air or the inversion step?
Torrey : Ahmed, it can be packed into a case.
Neena : Ahmed- Yes it is portable. weight around 12lbs
Torrey : Camille, you can purchase the equipment from Trace.
Joe : Camille - metered air blow into a sample bag for visual inspection for oil and particulates and same air blow over a sponge for microbial analysis is acceptable for SQF 
Heida : Great information. Thank you
Ahmed : Thanks Neena for reply
jon : How do you test moisture to Class 1?
Camille : Thanks Joe, maybe it will work for FSSC. 
Simon : Great presentation, very useful information. Thank you!
Torrey : Joe, that is not acceptable per ISO 8573-1 standards
Kris : Great presentation! Thank you for providing us with this useful information!
Ahmed : And Torrey also ;) thnx
Camille : Torrey, thanks, what would you recommend?
Sophie : Hand dryers: we usually just sanitize with alcohol, just after
Michelle : Awesome presentation!
linda phillips : Excellent Presentation, thank you so much
jon : What plates do you use to plate for mold and bacteria?
Jane : Thank you Ruby  for the presentation. I've learnt alot and appreciate it.
natalia tsumanets : thankyou for useful information 
Raquel Alonso : thank you!
Jacinthe : (1) Have there been any confirmed cases of contamination of products in connection with compressed air?
Neena : JOn- we use TSA plated with Tween and Lec
Torrey : Camille - An impaction sampler. But, Joe is correct if you are not trying to meet possible international standards. Contact Ruby after the presentation and she can send you some recommendations.
Chitrangani : Thanks a lot !
Jema : Great presentation Rubby. Very informative and educative. Thank you. 
sandra : Thank you for a very informative presentation.
Lisa : Do you provide any on-site testing services?
ABDERRAOUF : thanks a lot
Angel : We are a co-packer of dired ingredients with no temp control or kill steps whose products do not come into direct contact. Would you recommend we do the base line or just state that we fall under indirect [2:4:2]?
Tricia : Are there specific equipment and methods for testing other gas systems, like Nitrogen?
Torrey : Jacinthe - yes. Including recalls. If you contact Ruby, she can get you this information as well. 
Ahmed : Can we use particle range to set standards for microbial limits
Torrey : Lisa, yes Trace provides services through distributors nationally.
Mary Claire : any suggestion for a rapid test equipment for the compressed air testing
Torrey : Tricia, Trace has purity gas testing kits.
RABIU : What micron size of filter  will you recommend for compressed air sterilisation 
Mary Claire : how about the CO for treating tuna to promote color retention
Mukesh : Hi Simon, if u plz lower the volume of your system while speaking, your voice will not do eco sound
Tricia : Thank you!
Anggoro : thanks
Torrey : Ahmed, in the food industry, you can set corporate specs based on your hazard analysis. Measuring bacteria, mold, and yeast through CFU count and gram staining.
jon : How much air needs to flow  past your filter pad to get an accurate  measurement?
Torrey : Rabiu, 0.1 micron per SQF at point-of-use.
Lisa : How do you handle hose that has become contaminated with water or oil?
Lady : if the compressed air have direct contact with film, which then the film have direct contact with food. Then we should test the compressed air,?
Judy : Thanks!
Chris : what do you do if a .01micron filter reduces your air pressure >20%
Torrey : Lady, great question. Yes - this would be considered indirect contact.
RABIU : how do i test the intergrity of the filters
Jen : what about bottle inverters/bottle blowers? is there a way to filter these?
Alyssa : is it a CCP if the lid (compressed air contact) goes through a kill-step, bottle inversion, AFTERwards?

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Posted 15 October 2017 - 06:45 PM

Trace Analytics have kindly followed up to the webinar questions in the attached excel document.

 

Attached File  TraceAnalytics-WebinarChatAnswers (002).xlsx   19.48KB   1 downloads

 

 


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Posted 16 October 2017 - 12:59 PM

It is good to see more discussions on compressed air - thanks!  Mark


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