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#1 Urag

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 06:56 AM

Hello everyone, we are a new bread company and wanted to be certified by iso 22000 and brc we are currently documenting all the requirements with the help of a consultant he only gives us policies and procedures. Do we still need to make a fsms manual and work instructions? Thank you.


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 07:19 AM

Dear Urag,

 

Yes, you need a fsms manual and work instructions. As well as registration forms and test plans. All this must have been adapted to your company.

 

After all has been implemented, the quality system needs to work. So reading your post, there is still a lot of work to be done.

 

Good luck!

 

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Gerard Heerkens


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#3 J. O. L. III

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 11:47 AM

In addition to Gerard's comments, I believe auditors will look first or ask for your FSMS Manual and Work Instructions. They will try to check whether you have a documented system for all the requirements of ISO 22000 (or whatever standard you will use). And then from those documented systems and procedures they will check whether what is written is consistent with what is being done or what is being materialized in your plant.

 

So in short making the FSMS Manual and WIs are important.


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 02:48 PM

Hi Urag,

 

One typical approach as initially, I think, introduced for ISO9000 series is to produce an iso22000 "Quality Manual" (a slight misnomer in the context of FS but now traditional).

 

This iso manual is basically a Policy (=upper tier iso triangle) Manual "covering" the requirements of the iso22000 Standard but also including a list/pointers of/to so-called Quality Procedures (= middle tier iso triangle structure).

 

The Quality Procedures then typically include links to related Work Instructions (= Lower iso tier) / Forms / Records as required.

 

Two examples of Quality Manuals are attached below. First uses a basic (generic) style, second is further detailed/elaborated for a specific application. You can compare the formats/contents.

 

Attached File  ISO22000 - Food Safety Management System - Quality Manual.pdf   300.83KB   48 downloads

Attached File  ISO 22000 FSMS Quality Manual (2).pdf   788.11KB   54 downloads


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 11:53 AM

Hi Urag,

 

Yes you do. I hope you are now clear with above explanations.

 

Cheers!


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Posted 28 September 2017 - 02:26 PM

Dear Urag,

Yes, you need a fsms manual and work instructions. As well as registration forms and test plans. All this must have been adapted to your company.

After all has been implemented, the quality system needs to work. So reading your post, there is still a lot of work to be done.

Good luck!

Kind regards,

Gerard Heerkens



Thank you very much Sir gerard for your comment right now im the only one making this documents and it makes me confused what is the difference between a fsms manual and QA manual are the contents the same? Because a fellow workmate told me we didnt need a manual.
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Posted 28 September 2017 - 02:27 PM

In addition to Gerard's comments, I believe auditors will look first or ask for your FSMS Manual and Work Instructions. They will try to check whether you have a documented system for all the requirements of ISO 22000 (or whatever standard you will use). And then from those documented systems and procedures they will check whether what is written is consistent with what is being done or what is being materialized in your plant.

So in short making the FSMS Manual and WIs are important.


Thank you very much. I appreciate your input god bless.
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#8 Urag

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Posted 28 September 2017 - 02:28 PM

Hi Urag,

One typical approach as initially, I think, introduced for ISO9000 series is to produce an iso22000 "Quality Manual" (a slight misnomer in the context of FS but now traditional).

This iso manual is basically a Policy (=upper tier iso triangle) Manual "covering" the requirements of the iso22000 Standard but also including a list/pointers of/to so-called Quality Procedures (= middle tier iso triangle structure).

The Quality Procedures then typically include links to related Work Instructions (= Lower iso tier) / Forms / Records as required.

Two examples of Quality Manuals are attached below. First uses a basic (generic) style, second is further detailed/elaborated for a specific application. You can compare the formats/contents.

ISO22000 - Food Safety Management System - Quality Manual.pdf
ISO 22000 FSMS Quality Manual (2).pdf


Wow thank you very much sir for this.
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