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[Simon]

Thanks for the useful reference Witch. I wonder is there a similar comparison for the BRC Global Standard - Food? If not does anybody fancy making one.

Welcome to the forums Molly.

Simon

[Witch]

Thanks for the useful reference Witch. I wonder is there a similar comparison for the BRC Global Standard - Food? If not does anybody fancy making one.
Simon

A nice guy from my stuff is preparing a comparison at the moment, and if you are very nice Simon, maybe I will post it...

(just needs a few days... we have lots of other things to do...)



Andrea

[Simon]

A nice guy from my stuff is preparing a comparison at the moment, and if you are very nice Simon, maybe I will post it...

I promise, I promise.

[Witch]

I promise, I promise.

Folks,
we finished with our comparison (unfortunately in german) BUT again you can easily compare the numbering.
It is just our idea of comparing, does not mean, one or another point could not be compared otherwise!

It´s especially for you, Simon!

Attached Files

•  Gegenüberstellung_BRC_22000.xls   399KB   151 downloads

[Franco]

Thank you so much Witch

[Simon]

It´s especially for you, Simon!

People will talk

Thank you so much.

Simon

[Gunter-K]

The excel attachment -> BRC Food Gap Analysis with ISO 22000

When I click the link I get an error message stating the file does not exist. Does anyone have a copy of the file in German and if available an English version would be great. Gap analysis against BRC version 5 would be the ultimate. Here's hoping.

Kenneth

[ki_prayong]

Dear all ISO 22000 std. expert,
I have table about compare BRC v.5 and ISO 22000 std. and ISO 9001:2000 requirements (with IFS !!! so grate).
Now our company used this table to gap analyse between ISO 22000 and BRC (Food) v.5 and our team should check every detail in both 2 Stds.
but we have biggest problem about 7.4.4 (ISO 22000) and 2.7.1 (BRC) ,it's more difficult to integrate these requirements.(Pls see my attaches)
Did you have method to integrate these requirements, please share with another companies and me ?
Thank you for your comments,
KI_Prayong ,THA

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•  Comparision_BRC_IFS_QMS_22K_from_BV.pdf   405.59KB   248 downloads
•  Decision_Tree___________SGS_Eng_version__.doc   68.5KB   183 downloads

[Tony-C]

Dear all ISO 22000 std. expert,
I have table about compare BRC v.5 and ISO 22000 std. and ISO 9001:2000 requirements (with IFS !!! so grate).
Now our company used this table to gap analyse between ISO 22000 and BRC (Food) v.5 and our team should check every detail in both 2 Stds.
but we have biggest problem about 7.4.4 (ISO 22000) and 2.7.1 (BRC) ,it's more difficult to integrate these requirements.(Pls see my attaches)
Did you have method to integrate these requirements, please share with another companies and me ?
Thank you for your comments,
KI_Prayong ,THA

Hi Ki Prayong

If you apply the ISO 22000 requirements, which are more prescriptive, then you will meet the requirements of the other standards.

You seem to have made your decision tree process quite complicated and confusing?

I prefer to use the following rules:

Non Significant Hazards Identified - Controlled by PRPs
Significant Hazards that are not CCPs - Controlled by Operational PRPs
Hazards at CCPs - Controlled by HACCP plan

If you apply these rules then you can use a standard decision tree.

Regards,

Tony

[Charles.C]

Dear Tony,

Non Significant Hazards Identified - Controlled by PRPs
Significant Hazards that are not CCPs - Controlled by Operational PRPs
Hazards at CCPs - Controlled by HACCP plan

I applaud yr ultra-simplified approach but do you have a similarly compact way to evaluate if a hazard is non-significant (hence > PRP) or otherwise. Preferably free.

My first reaction was that if this format is acceptable to I22k auditors, them a lot of people here must be wasting an enormous amount of their time and brainpower. I suspect it is contrary to the intended "control prioritisiation" of the standard but the proof of the pudding is in the audit.

Rgds / Charles.C

added -
@ ki prayong, regretfully, hv to agree with Tony's comment regarding clarity of yr decision tree, very hard to understand. There is a slightly similar one posted in another 22000 thread which was originally proposed by the ISO 22000 team but then dropped later. One problem between equating the iso/brc standards on this is that the basic concept is different, maybe you simply hv to accept that difference and structure the comparison chart accordingly.

[just me]

Dear Tony C and Charles C,

I like the delightfully simplified way of categorizing the PRP, OPRP and CCP, which makes sense.
However, how would we justified that we have considered 7.4.4 (a) to (g) in the ISO22000 standard?

Thanks.

Cheers,

[Charles.C]

Dear just me,

However, how would we justified that we have considered 7.4.4 (a) to (g) in the ISO22000 standard?

Indeed.

My current views are mainly detailed / summarised in the post below and surrounding posts from other people.
http://www.ifsqn.com...dpost__p__36566

As you can see, the result is somewhat expanded compared to the content in this thread.

I am happy to let Tony reply regarding his own contributions.

Rgds / Charles.C

[Tony-C]

Dear Tony C and Charles C,

I like the delightfully simplified way of categorizing the PRP, OPRP and CCP, which makes sense.
However, how would we justified that we have considered 7.4.4 (a) to (g) in the ISO22000 standard?

Thanks.

Cheers,

Hi Just Me

You will need to show in determing the significance of your hazards that your control measures have been reviewed as per criteria a - g for their effectiveness against the identified food safety hazards.

Kind regards,

Tony