13 replies to this topic

[Gunter-K]

Hey guys, has any member purchased one of the iso 22000 checklists such as is available from Praxiom. I have the standard but could do with some help interpreting the requirements into an easy to follow and simple implementation checklist.

Does anyone have other recommendations?

Kenneth

[Erasmo]

Hey guys, has any member purchased one of the iso 22000 checklists such as is available from Praxiom. I have the standard but could do with some help interpreting the requirements into an easy to follow and simple implementation checklist.

Has anyone used the praxiom one or have other recommendations?

Kenneth

I reccomend this:
http://www.iso.org/i...m?refid=Ref1056
Help for small businesses to implement ISO 22000 food safety management systems

[Tony-C]

Hey guys, has any member purchased one of the iso 22000 checklists such as is available from Praxiom. I have the standard but could do with some help interpreting the requirements into an easy to follow and simple implementation checklist.

Has anyone used the praxiom one or have other recommendations?

Kenneth

Hi Kenneth

From their sample checklist it seems to contain general questions see below:

Are your prerequisite programs (PRPs) effective?
Are your operational PRPs (OPRPs) effective?
Is your HACCP plan effective?

Judge for yourself if this is helpful in a gap analysis.

This package contains a comprehensive set of checklists:

IFSQN ISO 22000 Food Safety Management System

Regards,

Tony

[Simon]

Hi Kenneth

From their sample checklist it seems to contain general questions see below:



Judge for yourself if this is helpful in a gap analysis.

This package contains a comprehensive set of checklists:

IFSQN ISO 22000 Food Safety Management System

Regards,

Tony

Tony could you attach a sample or two.

Thanks,
Simon

[Tony-C]

Tony could you attach a sample or two.

Thanks,
Simon

Hi Simon

There is a sample on the product page and a second is attached here.

 ISO_22000_Management_Responsibility_Gap_Analysis_Sample.pdf   744.61KB   353 downloads

Regards,

Tony

[Charles.C]

Dear Gunter,

Join the queue.
As you hv no doubt realised, one of the problems associated with iso 22000 is that they hv devised a "new" HACCP . The second problem is that they hv not explained it in yr requested "simple" way (ISO = anti-KISS). Hopefully, you may find one of the recommendations above more easy to understand (perhaps you should specify which part gave you the most trouble - all of it ?? )

Rgds / Charles.C

[Erasmo]

... (ISO = anti-KISS). ...
Rgds / Charles.C

Hi Charles,
I don’t agree with that. I think the problem is that the HACCP from the CODEX is now inserted in a Management System and some people do not like 9001.

Please read my post about the glass bottle factory. I mentioned that people that are not biased by the “traditional” HACCP and has good knowledge of Management Systems can easily understand ISO-22K.



Believe me, I have been visited companies in 11 of the 13 food chain categories listed in ISO/TS-22003 and they really surprise me. I get a copy of their work instruction for the Hazard Analysis and it is the most useful document for HACCP that I ever see. (and they are not food technicians!)



Have you ever participate in a HACCP meeting trying to work with the CODEX decision tree and someone ask the team one of the question in the decision tree and half of the team answer “no” and the other half answer “yes”? Well, I was in a similar session when that team was working with the ISO/TS-22004 decision tree and answers were all homogeneous all the time!



It could be complicated at the beginning, but once you understand it, … it is a big difference.



Saludos.

[Charles.C]

Dear Erasmo,

Thanks for yr informative reply. Of course, it does depend on what one means by “simple”. Same comment about HACCP.

I don’t criticise the intentions behind the ISO’s continuing project to rationalise / systemise topics like quality evaluation and food safety. Quite the opposite. I do regret ISO never offered (within the public domain) actual worked examples demonstrating the implementation of ISO 22000. If they had, we would probably not be having this conversation.

The only thing I can say without going into specifics is that, IMO, the basic logic on which ISO 22000 is constructed is quite well explained in ISO 22004 but the implementation to real-life situations remains obscure, notably due to the ISO self-chosen new variables like oprp. I blame that on the ISO, particularly after 5 years. It may be that the ISO booklet referred above helps (haven’t read it) but I think the only (new user) comment I hv seen on this forum so far was a (very) negative opinion although without any details so....
I can appreciate that consultant’s may prefer the “closed” scenario and need to make a living but that’s another story.

Compare this to the situation on HACCP itself where the whole issue was effectively open source from the start. Perhaps I am just being too idealistic.

Rgds / Charles.C

added - to further add to the original question, there is a, frequently quoted, book on ISO 22000 which, from memory, is authored by one of the developers of the standard. Originally in French I think but now also in English probably. Haven't seen any actual reviews though. (I guess by now there must be many books but strangely haven't seen any promoted in Google Books yet ??)

[Gunter-K]

Thank you all for your valuable insights. In the end I purchased the ISO guidance pack and the IFSQN ISO 22000 documentation package. Both are proving extremely useful to me in developing an ISO 22000 compliant system. Sincere thanks to Tony for the support provided so far.

Kenneth

[Tony-C]

Sincere thanks to Tony for the support provided so far.

Kenneth

Hey No problem Kenneth

If I can be of further assistance let me know.

Kind regards,

Tony

[BVRC]

Hi, all

I know very well the varied responses to the HACCP decision tree, with even certification auditors fumbling it.

Its 3 years on working with 22K and as food safety management system I find it the most logic. I have devised a way for myself to ensure compliance. ISO 9000 is the basis from which I implement and maintain the management system, BRC/GSFS is the basis of the PRP's as it is descriptive (22K vague - now we have PAS220 on our doorstep) and 22K methodology to determine OPRP's an CCP's.

Works like a charm.
Also, in South Africa we have SANS (South african national standard) 10049, Hygiene management standard that is used as the baseline/guideline for PRP's for HACCP & 22K. You can buy it online, its in ZAR so for some that might be a pittance! www.sabs.co.za


I attach a checklist I got from a contact, I havent used it myself yet...at best its detailed about some PRP's

Attached Files

•  22000___Checklist__2_.doc   349KB   204 downloads

[Charles.C]

Dear Gunter,

Here is a sample list without the trimmings -

 ISO_22000___basic_checklist.doc   549.5KB   145 downloads

Rgds / Charles.C

[muffin]

Thanks for the attachment Charles!
You really help us a lot here.

[Gunter-K]

Sorry I did not respond earlier to your replies. Anyways thanks to Bennii and Charles for providing the document attachments.

Kenneth