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Posted 10 November 2009 - 08:09 AM

Just had BRC V5 for fist time. Got 6 minors, one of which was against 2.8.3: validation of CCPs, eg off line testing, has not been completed for all CCPs.

What is the easiest way to comply to this clause?

Thanks in advance



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Posted 10 November 2009 - 04:03 PM

Dear Lea,

Welcome to the forum ! :welcome:

You may get a faster / more directly useful response if you include the product / relevant CCP process step(s) involved. :smile:

I presume you did do some validation.

Rgds / Charles.C


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Posted 30 November 2009 - 07:28 PM

I would be interested in knowing this as well. ( Im struggling with the 2.8 section as a whole) We produce loaves of bread and buns in our facilities and use Safeline Metal detectors to do so ( dual heads) any suggestions or reference information would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted 01 December 2009 - 10:26 AM

I would be interested in knowing this as well. ( Im struggling with the 2.8 section as a whole) We produce loaves of bread and buns in our facilities and use Safeline Metal detectors to do so ( dual heads) any suggestions or reference information would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Amber



Here you have a sample of metal detector CCP validation: http://www.codexalim...22/cxg_069e.pdf


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Posted 01 December 2009 - 04:41 PM

Here you have a sample of metal detector CCP validation: http://www.codexalim...22/cxg_069e.pdf


Thank you. Very helpful. :thumbup:

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Posted 02 December 2009 - 05:08 PM

Thank you. Very helpful. :thumbup:


I'm glad for this.
Just a question: are you interested in producing gluten-free bread?


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Posted 02 December 2009 - 05:11 PM

I'm glad for this.
Just a question: are you interested in producing gluten-free bread?


Yes maybe in the future. Why do you ask?

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Posted 02 December 2009 - 11:14 PM

Dear antoni sola,

Tks yr validation link. It is a useful and interesting document however the example involving a metal detector is primarily a validation procedure for a sieve being the CCP control device (as I read it). Things can get a bit more complicated when the metal detector itself becomes the "CCP".

Additionally, I know it's sort of nit-picking but the FSO statement seems a bit silly to me, ie

Food Safety Outcome: Less than 1 metal fragment over 2 mm in 100,000 kg of product.


How can you have <1? I know, life is all averages but there should be a comment somewhere. :thumbdown:

and again,

The metal detector can be used after the validation as an ongoing verification activity to ensure that the sieve is controlling the hazard as intended.


So why not make the metal detector the CCP?? :smile:

Rgds / Charles.C






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Posted 03 December 2009 - 01:14 AM

It seems to me that you could valiadate the detection and removal of metal simply by intentionally adding some - and showing that the system functions as intended.
Have you tried this?


Cathy Crawford, HACCP Consulting Group
http://haccpcg.com/

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Posted 03 December 2009 - 08:00 PM

Yes maybe in the future. Why do you ask?

A.McCreary


I worked as QManager in a glutenfree bread factory. I think its a very interesting market in your country.


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Posted 07 December 2009 - 07:28 PM

I worked as QManager in a glutenfree bread factory. I think its a very interesting market in your country.



Oh ok, very interesting I will have to keep that in mind if we venture into that area.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 05:34 AM

Just had BRC V5 for fist time. Got 6 minors, one of which was against 2.8.3: validation of CCPs, eg off line testing, has not been completed for all CCPs.

What is the easiest way to comply to this clause?

Thanks in advance


Complete a validation record for every control measure: Attached File  IFSQN_Validation_Record_pdf.pdf   138.44KB   91 downloads

Kind regards,

Tony :smile:




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