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Posted 06 October 2010 - 02:55 PM

Hello to all, not posted for a while due to busy work commitments, but avidly read the update newsletters from the forum. Congratulations to the team on that initiative.

I wonder does anyone know when the first/next revision of ISO 22000 will be due, five years have passed very quickly and it must somewhere in the pipeline.
Also from 22k users what changes do you expect to see?

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 04:05 PM

It has been suprisingly quiet in regards to ISO 22000 and any revisions. Not sure when it will happen but as you alluded to, it seems to have reached the normal life span of ISO standards.

One would think that an integration of ISO TS 22002-1 would be in line with a goal of becoming GFSI accepted. Without it, ISO 22000 is nothing but a piece of the GFSI standards that use it as a base such as FSSC 22000 and Synergy 22000.



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Posted 06 October 2010 - 04:42 PM

Dear Gunter,

The pipeline has probably been well-cemented by now.

Suggestion - delete all references to oprp (not required by GFSI :smile: ) or state how to prioritise for it in normal English as compared to the nonsense-text in ISO 22004.

Never was so much time wasted for so little consumer benefit.
(CharlesC 2010 :smile: )

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Posted 06 October 2010 - 08:34 PM

The evolution of ISO 9000.

ISO 9000 1987
ISO 9000 1994 (7 years)
ISO 9000 2000 (6 years)
ISO 9000 2008 (8 years)

That experience tell us ISO 22000 is loaded into the pipeline which can be anywhere between 6 and 8 years long. As we've not heard anything regarding a revision I reckon the ISO 22000 pipeline is going to be an extra long one and we might not see a revision until 2015.


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Posted 07 October 2010 - 12:08 PM

He He thanks for the replies guys, I like the way you make a dry topic humorous. If anyone does get a firm update I would be most grateful if you could share it across the forum. :smile:



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Posted 12 October 2010 - 04:07 PM

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ISO 22000:2005 was confirmed without amendments at the first meeting of ISO Technical Committee 34, Subcommittee 17 Food Safety Management Systems (ISO TC34/SC17) in September 2009. Based on a vote of the participating members of TC34, it was agreed that the standard would be kept unchanged in the marketplace to facilitate its on-going implementation by food businesses both on its own and within the two GFSI benchmarked schemes. At its meeting last month, SC17 agreed to confirm ISO TS 22003, again for the time being. This will be reviewed in 2011 once the revisions to ISO 17021 have been completed. That standard is now in a DIS version and out for review and voting by ISO members. SC17 also approved a new internal procedure that will govern the development of future parts in the ISO TS 22002 series, including those already being worked on.
Further to ISO 22000, SC17 agreed to proactively solicit input on aspects of the standard that require clarification and amendment. It also initiated a process to establish a group of experts to provide interpretation and continued its work on the development of a new "how to use ISO 22000" publication which would complement the existing ISO/ITC publication/checklist "Are you ready? ....". Finally, it was agreed that a website would be established by SC17 with additional information about ISO 22000 and the other standards in the family.

Hope this helps.

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Posted 12 October 2010 - 07:37 PM

Dear AFC,

Nice to hear from you and thks for the input.

Seemingly no "continual improvement" is considered necessary. :smile: At least it's interesting to know their internal assessment.

I suppose they don't wish to risk jeopardising the reflected glory from FSSC 22000.

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Posted 13 October 2010 - 02:53 PM

Many thanks for the useful information Albert.


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Posted 13 October 2010 - 07:23 PM

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ISO 22000:2005 was confirmed without amendments at the first meeting of ISO Technical Committee 34, Subcommittee 17 Food Safety Management Systems (ISO TC34/SC17) in September 2009. Based on a vote of the participating members of TC34, it was agreed that the standard would be kept unchanged in the marketplace to facilitate its on-going implementation by food businesses both on its own and within the two GFSI benchmarked schemes. At its meeting last month, SC17 agreed to confirm ISO TS 22003, again for the time being. This will be reviewed in 2011 once the revisions to ISO 17021 have been completed. That standard is now in a DIS version and out for review and voting by ISO members. SC17 also approved a new internal procedure that will govern the development of future parts in the ISO TS 22002 series, including those already being worked on. Further to ISO 22000, SC17 agreed to proactively solicit input on aspects of the standard that require clarification and amendment. It also initiated a process to establish a group of experts to provide interpretation and continued its work on the development of a new "how to use ISO 22000" publication which would complement the existing ISO/ITC publication/checklist "Are you ready? ....". Finally, it was agreed that a website would be established by SC17 with additional information about ISO 22000 and the other standards in the family.

Hope this helps.

afc

Yes thanks for the update Albert it certainly does help. It's important to get the facts from a reliable source. It's interesting to hear about the developments regarding "how to" documents and a website; they will certainly add value. The forums here have a diverse membership from all sectors of the food chain represented and from all over the world. If you think we can help in any way to providing ideas and input on where the standard may be confusing or could be improved we would be more than happy to help.

Regards,
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Posted 19 October 2010 - 12:14 PM

Thanks!

I was thinking since last week about the revision and someone asked me about ISO 9001 has 2008 and when is due for ISO 22000, i replied its not an early ! and here still people prefers HACCP certification.


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Posted 09 July 2014 - 04:15 AM

Hello,

Yesterday I participated in a presentation organised by AFNOR group concerning "ISO 9001:2015 - an evolution or revolution". Though I don't know much about ISO 9001, I found the changes very interesting. The new version will get rid of "procedures", which means that any certified organisation is not forced to write procedures.

Advantages as well as disadvantages. Hope to see new version of ISO 22000 soon:-)

 

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:21 AM

Dear Rudra,

 

From memory/guessing (added - and post #6 :smile:) , according to ISO rules, a standard has to be re-examined within 5 years of publication to determine if revision is required, and so on. Amazingly in ca. 2010 the conclusion was apparently  "nyet". (aka not yet).

 

Supposedly (eg net-noted communications) topic is now under substantial internal ISO discussions, presumably in view of 2015 coming soon.

 

The significant risk is that many of the existing ambiguities will simply be transformed into new ones. Welcome to ISO.

 

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 10:04 AM

2015 is set to become the year of revisions as ISO 9001 & ISO 14001 new revisions would be published. Almost same goes for ISO 22000 , due to ever changing new markets, and publishing of ISO 22002-1 to 5 technical standards that form base of GFSI recognized FSSC 22000 scheme too.

Following is an update regarding ISO 2200 revision process. 

 

http://www.iso.org/i...m?refid=Ref1842

 

Also as mentioned by 

 

Hello,

Yesterday I participated in a presentation organised by AFNOR group concerning "ISO 9001:2015 - an evolution or revolution". Though I don't know much about ISO 9001, I found the changes very interesting. The new version will get rid of "procedures", which means that any certified organisation is not forced to write procedures.

Advantages as well as disadvantages. Hope to see new version of ISO 22000 soon:-)

 

Rudra

  

The changes in new ISO revisions are more practical and not monotonous ones with just a set of procedures defined.



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Posted 15 July 2014 - 09:16 PM

So its final that next revision of ISO 22000:2005 has started and would result in ISO 22000:2017.

 

Please see this document for further information. 

 

Source: ISO website.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 06:00 AM

Dear gurumug,

 

Many thks for yr input.

 

I seem to recall some similar site notifications ca.2010. :smile:

 

I had a quick look at the pdf. The content of PRP standard 22002-1 was apparently based on an ISO survey in 2010. Hmmm. A reference to PAS220 developers might have been appropriate. And FSSC ?. Neither mentioned.

The link to an iso22000 website was interesting, seems to have rarely, if ever, been mentioned here in threads. The FAQ document does contain useful info. but seems un-updated since 2012.

 

So far I think ISO have issued 2 "how to" publications regarding iso22000. I haven't yet checked for the later one (never noticed any refs to it until now [thanks])  but AFAIK the internet is virtually devoid of any user comments on the first one which is not too encouraging. Maybe  price deterrents are at work also.

 

As long as any revision removes all references to OPRP, it must be an improvement IMO. (Maybe solicit input on [a] which aspects have engaged people the most  on responding to the requirements of the standard and [b] an opinion as to the subsequent derived relative benefit [+/-] with respect to factors nominated in [a].)

 

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 06:58 AM

Yes. I agree with your point regarding OPRPs but what type of feedback is there and how it impacts the revision process will be clear by next year.

 

The only good thing that ISO food safety standards SC has done as yet is addition of ISO 22002-1 to 6 ( I observed the start of working on sixth standard yesterday , that is related to feed , PAS 222). ISO does references PAS 223 or any relevant PAS they had adopted mainly in the introduction part of relevant Technical standard.

 

ISO 22000 was an experiment and it took quite a lot time to get it understood and implemented. Diverse range of criticism also sprang up , but what I believe that all such feedback will help them bring out something more comprehensive and unique in 2017! They just took longer than usual time in getting things addressed. It would be a gap of 12 years in revising a standard.

 

PS: The revisions in ISO 9001 & 14001 are really interesting and if the same approach was followed it will bring something good. Moreover, do see a copy of ISO 22002-2 Catering, if its relevant to you. ISO has brought in, a mainly untouched field of food industry, to global focus well.



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 06:59 PM

And guys ISO (@@isostandards ) has now confirmed that we will be able to see first copy of revision this September, 2014 and that will clear what type of changes at least had been initiated and are being discussed. :)  

 

See attached thumbnail.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 01 August 2014 - 08:52 AM

And guys ISO (@@isostandards ) has now confirmed that we will be able to see first copy of revision this September, 2014 and that will clear what type of changes at least had been initiated and are being discussed. :)  

 

See attached thumbnail.

 

I'm not sure that is true as per the May 2014 News 'revision process is set to start in September' so don't hold your breath waiting for that copy.

 

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