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[Simon]

The newest and oldest members of the series of quality management and quality assurance standards that make up the ISO 9000 series were the subject of the 21st annual meeting of ISO Technical Committee 176 Oct. 20-25, in Bucharest, Romania.

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Whilst we are on the subject of ISO 9000, with only 3 days to go to the transition deadline the figures below look pretty awful don't they?

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Simon

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[Manoj Mathur]

Thanks Simon

Good Article.

Please open a post on ISO 14001 also. I have stuff to share for members of Saferpak.

[Simon]

On the same subject the article below was published in the December 2003 edition of Quality World, the Institute of Quality Assurance (IQA) magazine:


To deadline and beyond!

[Jim Wade]

Whilst we are on the subject of ISO 9000, with only 3 days to go to the transition deadline the figures below look pretty awful don't they?

They look bad only if you assume that ISO 9001 certification is a good thing. Otherwise, we see a swing in the right direction!

rgds Jim

[Wallace Tait]

Hmm,
Expand on your answer Jim.
Good to see your still stirring it up Jim, I missed your verbal jousting style at the C*#!.
Wallace.

[Jim Wade]

Hello there, Wallace.

How nice of you to say so!

What I mean is that the current system of concentrating the whole massive international weight of ISO 9000 expertise (accreditation, certification, consultancy, training, quality management, auditing, ...) on just 5 clauses of ISO 9001 is more than a little loony.

Particularly when you consider:

- that the whole ISO 9000 body of knowledge (now officially contained in thirteen documents) is largely unused. Why?

- the pretence that ISO 9001 is a 'standard'. It isn't. It's wide open to interpretation - as it should be.

- that the whole shebang results in a meaningless pass-or fail certificate, when we all know that 'quality' is a variable.

Just my opinion.

As an example of the looniness, check out this petition at http://www.petitiono...a/petition.html

rgds Jim

[Jim Wade]

Some facts about ISO 900 and its future:

- As of July 2003 no more than 30% of registered companies had 'transitioned' to 9001:2000. Five months later, at least 85% had made the switch.

- 9001 and 9004 will remain unchanged until at least Q2 2008. But a draft amendment of 9000 is already in existence.

- A new standard - ISO/IEC 17021 - will give certification bodies [registrars] "a framework for operating in a consistent manner, thus creating confidence in their services". So that's good, then.

- The standard will require CBs to implement 9001 themselves. But they will not be required to get a certificate.

- The standard will also require CBs not to certify a client for two years "after any related body has provided management systems consultancy".

Source: current edition of ISO Management Systems magazine, free copies of which will be available at this 21 April event, which is also free!

rgds Jim