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[pranav]

If a packaging company is ISO 22000 certified, should they go for ISO 9001 certification ?

[Charles.C]

If a packaging company is ISO 22000 certified, should they go for ISO 9001 certification ?

iso22000 = focused on SAFETY
iso9001 = oriented to QUALITY

So what are your specific requirements ?.

Rgds / Charles.C

[pranav]

Please Clarify as ISO 22000 addresses both quality & safety points, can we say ISO 22000 certification is sufficient rather than going for both certification. If Specific requirement from the customer part then no choice left .The company has to do IS0 22000 & ISO 9001 certification.

[Charles.C]

Please Clarify as ISO 22000 addresses both quality & safety points, can we say ISO 22000 certification is sufficient rather than going for both certification. If Specific requirement from the customer part then no choice left .The company has to do IS0 22000 & ISO 9001 certification.

Dear pranav,

I suggest you re-examine the introduction to the iso22000 standard, eg

"This International Standard specifies the requirements for a food safety management system ........"

Rgds / Charles.C

PS - If you wish to compare iso22000 with iso9001, can try -

http://en.wikipedia....01_vs_ISO_22000
 comparison_of_iso_9001_and_iso_22000.pdf   70.1KB   93 downloads
 iso22000 integrating with iso9001.pdf   643.99KB   88 downloads
 Combinations of quality,HACCP, safety standards in food manufacturing,2009.pdf   178.33KB   88 downloads

[tsmith7858]

Dear pranav,

I suggest you re-examine the introduction to the iso22000 standard, eg

"This International Standard specifies the requirements for a food safety management system ........"

Rgds / Charles.C

PS - If you wish to compare iso22000 with iso9001, can try -

http://en.wikipedia....01_vs_ISO_22000
 comparison_of_iso_9001_and_iso_22000.pdf   70.1KB   93 downloads
 iso22000 integrating with iso9001.pdf   643.99KB   88 downloads
 Combinations of quality,HACCP, safety standards in food manufacturing,2009.pdf   178.33KB   88 downloads

Charles is correct. Although there are often elements of Quality that are involved in the food safety system, ISO 22000 is not or cannot be solely utilized for Quality.

The question you need to ask is if ISO 22000 serves your purpose or if you feel you need ISO 9001. In other words, why did you install ISO 22000? Was it to meet food safety requirements? Was is for a customer? Do you have a need for a Quality System to go along with ISO 22000?

We have both because we reinforce our Food Safety program (which is actually FSSC 22000) with a strong Quality program (ISO 9001). They are audited separate and although there are over lapping elements, there is generally a different focus for each audit. The food safety focuses on HACCP plans, PRPs and other elements related to food safety and keeping food safe. Quality focuses on how we get the customer what they want which includes safe food but also the requirements as defined by the customer (quality, cost, lead times, ship on time, etc).

[AS NUR]

Dear Pranav..

Agree with charles and tsmith.. ISO 22K and ISO 9K1 are different on focus. And I think you can decide use both of system or just 22K, depend on your customer need...

Rgds,

AS Nur

[Marq]

If a packaging company is ISO 22000 certified, should they go for ISO 9001 certification ?

No, its not a must. ISO 22K is specific to food safety while ISO 9001 is quality focused. you can go for ISO 9001 certification to reinforce your FSMS.

[Modarres]

No, its not a must. ISO 22K is specific to food safety while ISO 9001 is quality focused. you can go for ISO 9001 certification to reinforce your FSMS.

Some related notes:

• concept of "Quality" includes more things, e.g. delivery time, appearance, cost, taste, odor, shelf-life time, waiter's behavior, restaurant decoration, food nutrition facts, food safety.....
• concept of "Food Safety" is subset of "Quality" of food and also most important item
• ISO 9001 covers QMS and somethings related quality apart from safety too
• ISO 22k only covers FSMS not includes other quality items

Edited by Modarres, 30 April 2013 - 07:11 AM.

[Tony-C]

If a packaging company is ISO 22000 certified, should they go for ISO 9001 certification ?

Hi Pranav,

If you were supplying packaging to an organization I was working for I would want you to be certified to a Food Safety Standard but would not insist on a Quality Standard. In your case I would only be looking for ISO 9001 certification if you saw a benefit in this for example if you supplied packaging to a non-food market or the disciplines of ISO 9001 would be of benefit.

Regards,

Tony

[Drkhalidmabrok]

QMS focusing on quality and customer satisfaction

FSMS focusing on food safety and providing a safe food

 

both is management system but with different scope

choosing one or both is depending in many reasones:

1) managmenet vision.

2) customer requirements.

3) legal requirements

etc..

[Gourav]

Can I put it other way round. You implement ISO 9001:200x and implement your food safety program within ISO 9K. Section 7 of ISO 9K gives you ample freedom to implement your food safety program. 

Your take on this please.

[ramkumaran]

ISO 9001 is defined as the international standard that specifies requirements for a quality management system (QMS). Organizations use the standard to demonstrate the ability to consistently provide products and services that meet customer and regulatory requirements.

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[Charles.C]

ISO 9001 is defined as the international standard that specifies requirements for a quality management system (QMS). Organizations use the standard to demonstrate the ability to consistently provide products and services that meet customer and regulatory requirements.

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7-year old thread, thanks anyway.

[El Molino]

If you examine both new standards to clauses are virtually worded the same with the exception of ISO 22000 PRP's  - FSSC 22000 implements a combined quality and food safety audit scheme -tailor your programme to involve both and integrate quality in the FSMS program - you meet both standard requirements.

[Charles.C]

If you examine both new standards to clauses are virtually worded the same with the exception of ISO 22000 PRP's  - FSSC 22000 implements a combined quality and food safety audit scheme -tailor your programme to involve both and integrate quality in the FSMS program - you meet both standard requirements.

 

It is true that "Quality" is (frequently) a scope-debatable terminology.

However I also suggest that it is no accident that ISO have issued two Standards.