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#1 fgjuadi

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Posted 06 June 2014 - 03:41 PM

HI

 

I'm having a problem with non-GMO cleanout validation

 

We have ingredients which the supplier verified as Genetically Modified. 

None of these ingredients will test positive for GM because they are processed. 

 

Ideally, I'd be able to test the first (Known GM product), get a positive, clean, test the second  (non-GM) product, get a negative, and call the whole thing a day.

 

But I can't test that first product as positive, so I have no way of knowing if our clean out is really removing the GM. The lab who does my testing does not suggest running a positive GM control on my equipment.

 

Ideas? 


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Posted 06 June 2014 - 03:55 PM

Where are you trying to verify? 


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Posted 06 June 2014 - 04:10 PM

Where are you trying to verify? 

We have one molding line, mix tank,  and a lot of wrapping machines.  surface swabs aren';t something you can test, so I'd have to go finished product.

 

But all finisshed product is not detectable, even the contaminated stuff. :(


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Posted 06 June 2014 - 05:15 PM

That is a conundrum.  I agree with the lab but then how to confirm.  Will have to think about this one a bit as work has my brain tied up today. 


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 08:37 PM

That is a conundrum.  I agree with the lab but then how to confirm.  Will have to think about this one a bit as work has my brain tied up today. 

 

I am very interested in knowing how you would proceed. I work with the Non-GMO Project, and the technical details of traceability, segregation, etc are largely under the purview of the certifying body that our participant's work with.  That said, we - the stand owners - are always looking for on the ground guidance and examples so that we can be more educated about how a certifying body guarantees compliance with our standard. So, for me, this is a great topic and thanks!

 

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 09:01 PM

I haven't come up with anything brilliant or even good.....Magenta what did you decide to do?


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 12:39 AM

I haven't come up with anything brilliant or even good.....Magenta what did you decide to do?

wait patiently to see if any non-GMO experts had input and do my best not to bump my own thread :rofl2:

 

If we end up switching to a process that requires a non-GMO clean out, I guess Ill buy an  corn at the market and grind it on up, make sure it's part of the 90% of corn that has GMO & tests positive, throw it in some (carefully controlled and then destroyed) chocolate during a run, clean stuff, then test the next batch of chocolate.  It's a brilliant plan, I don't see what could go wrong...


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Posted 12 June 2014 - 08:24 AM

HI

 

The lab who does my testing does not suggest running a positive GM control on my equipment.

 

Ideas? 

 

Yep, ignore the lab and do your own thing.

 

Regards,

 

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 05:19 PM

wait patiently to see if any non-GMO experts had input and do my best not to bump my own thread :rofl2:

 

If we end up switching to a process that requires a non-GMO clean out, I guess Ill buy an  corn at the market and grind it on up, make sure it's part of the 90% of corn that has GMO & tests positive, throw it in some (carefully controlled and then destroyed) chocolate during a run, clean stuff, then test the next batch of chocolate.  It's a brilliant plan, I don't see what could go wrong...

 

I love how you think! 


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 05:28 AM

Dear magenta_m,

 

I'm not quite clear as to the exact context of yr dilemma but if it's labelling, your choice might be based on something like -

 

Attached File  GMO Labelling.doc   142KB   35 downloads

 

Rgds / Charles.C

 

or, as you are probably already well-aware, viewpoints such as -

 

http://bostonorganic...non-gmo-labels/


Kind Regards,

 

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 11:21 AM

Dear magenta_m,

 

I'm not quite clear as to the exact context of yr dilemma but if it's labelling, your choice might be based on something like -

 

attachicon.gifGMO Labelling.doc

 

Rgds / Charles.C

 

or, as you are probably already well-aware, viewpoints such as -

 

http://bostonorganic...non-gmo-labels/

Thanks.  No labeling issues.  Not even a standard issue.  More of a "Do the right thing"/ maintain IP status than anything else.  I don't think declaring our clean out sufficient to remove GM without proper/any testing is the most... responsible....

Though it seems like using the allergen clean out & never validating is standard practice? :o

 

This whole non-GMO adventure is something sales is *very* interested in for us, so everything is hypothetical, which is my favorite kind of reality.

:oops2:

I was  a little snarky earlier when I asked for experts, I hadn't seen hlehman02's reply yet, my bad.  :blush:


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