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Posted 08 February 2015 - 12:16 PM

HI to everyone using this fantastic forum,i'm a newbie and my company has just promoted me to take charge

of obtaining BRC/IOP certification ,the paper work is daunting and little or none in place need help in getting started.

thanks lifford. 



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Posted 08 February 2015 - 03:02 PM

HI to everyone using this fantastic forum,i'm a newbie and my company has just promoted me to take charge

of obtaining BRC/IOP certification ,the paper work is daunting and little or none in place need help in getting started.

thanks lifford. 

 

Dear lifford,

 

Welcome to the Forum ! :welcome:

 

I deduce you are seeking advice. :smile:

 

A little more context may be necessary, eg product / process.

 

Not in Packaging myself but the first stages of the enterprise are usually automatic - (a) get the standard, (b) do a Gap analysis.

 

IMEX this often reveals a large black hole of missing items, notably documentation-wise.

 

The initial effort may well depend on yr own technical background (eg HACCP) plus the available resources at yr location but there is certainly an extensive supply of Packaging and BRC knowledge on this site.

For example there is an ageing but still extremely useful extensive collection of basic Sanitation forms / generic HACCP plan example for a packaging enterprise put up on this forum by Simon if you are interested ?

There is also a somewhat famous website which offers a large range of freely downloadable model haccp plans for a variety of packaging scenarios and has been linked numerous times on this forum.

I dont have either of the locations/links just mentioned at immediate hand but no doubt someone will shortly assist if i cannot locate.

 

Anyway, I suggest you clarify your current requirements so as to enable further assistance.

 

Rgds / Charles.C


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 03:40 PM

sorry Charles ,i was a bit vague , we make paper outer sleeve packaging for the food industry (non food contact) and paper cups,

and to start i was attempting risk analysis of the paper and printing inks used.  



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Posted 08 February 2015 - 04:15 PM

sorry Charles ,i was a bit vague , we make paper outer sleeve packaging for the food industry (non food contact) and paper cups,

and to start i was attempting risk analysis of the paper and printing inks used.  

 

Dear lifford,

 

Thks for response. And no problem, it's quite usual. :smile:

 

 

risk analysis of the paper and printing inks used.

 

Well, for the cups, I would imagine there are regulatory aspects controlling both those items. Based on previous threads here, Ink safety standards are often a blurry area.. One normally validates  such aspects before usage of course. The generic requirement is typically "food grade" which simply generates another question. :smile:

 

This is the haccp packaging link i mentioned in previous post, just in case you have not seen it before  -

 

http://www.iopp.org/...cfm?pageid=2173

 

I anticipate that yr current investigation is discussed in the model haccp plans available on this site. usually within the context of "Prerequisites".

 

Rgds / Charles.C


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Posted 08 February 2015 - 09:28 PM

thanks Charles for taking the time to help, i  have gone through our process flow on cups and started on its hazard analysis but i can't see any CCP's do you think it's possible not to have any. this is all new to me, worked on making them up to three weeks ago, and then a haccp course. so sorry for being so scattered.



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Posted 09 February 2015 - 12:07 PM

thanks Charles for taking the time to help, i  have gone through our process flow on cups and started on its hazard analysis but i can't see any CCP's do you think it's possible not to have any. this is all new to me, worked on making them up to three weeks ago, and then a haccp course. so sorry for being so scattered.

 

Dear lifford,

 

Yes, it is quite possible to have no CCPs. Although certain items are notably viewed by many auditors as a "certain" CCP, eg metal detectors. The example process / haccp plan included in attachment below has no CCPs ( from memory). It simply depends on yr product / process / hazard analysis, and sometimes the Standard/Regulations. The important point is that you need to be able to validate the absence of CCPs (ie your hazard analysis methodology).

 

The zip package (HACCP Plan / hygiene documents) below was previously posted by Simon. It was, several years ago, used for a BRC Packaging Certification. The current requirements have considerably expanded from the Standard at that time but it still covers a lot of the basic HACCP / GMP functions. There are also 1 or 2  threads here (2-4 years back) which have useful input for some of the items which have been  subsequently added. Will post  the links if i can find them.

 

Attached File  hygdocs(Simon).zip   227.66KB   281 downloads

 

You are always welcome to post yr flowchart / hazard analysis here for comments (several Packaging experts are on this Forum :smile: )  but I appreciate that some of the detail may be proprietary.

 

Rgds / Charles.C

 

PS - another useful activity IMEX is to try searching on the Net for examples of documented audits for BRC Packaging. Several exist and are quite detailed. :smile:


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Charles.C


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Posted 09 February 2015 - 12:48 PM

Dear Charles

 

thank you so much for sharing your expert knowledge, it's a great help.

 

Rgds/lifford



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Posted 09 February 2015 - 02:17 PM

Dear lifford,

 

So far failed  to find the exact thread(s) mentioned in previous post but these (noticed) posts looked potentially of some value.

1-4 have useful-looking attachments, 5-9 are “descriptive”.

1.

http://www.ifsqn.com/forum/index.php/topic/19654-brc-packaging-audit-plan-how-do-you-do-it/#entry57481

2.

http://www.ifsqn.com/forum/index.php/topic/17624-food-grade-ink/#entry50383

3.

http://www.ifsqn.com/forum/index.php/topic/15245-haccp-label-printing/#entry39813

(and surrounding posts)

4.

http://www.ifsqn.com/forum/index.php/topic/15245-haccp-label-printing/#entry39813

(and surrounding posts)

5.

http://www.ifsqn.com/forum/index.php/topic/19624-microbiological-analysis-on-food-packaging-sector/#entry57507

6.

http://www.ifsqn.com/forum/index.php/topic/16644-ink-traceability/#entry46447

7.

http://www.ifsqn.com/forum/index.php/topic/9370-legislation-food-contact-packaging/#entry44288

8.

http://www.ifsqn.com/forum/index.php/topic/17909-according-to-brc-iop-what-shall-print-control-consist-of/#entry51548

9.

http://www.ifsqn.com/forum/index.php/topic/17909-according-to-brc-iop-what-shall-print-control-consist-of/#entry51548

 

Rgds / Charles.C

 

PS - You may also find the most recent Webinar here of interest to download unless you watched it live.

 

PPS - (added) - Note that I don't necessarily agree with the conclusions of the hazard analyses in the linked examples above, just examples of one system/methodology/opinion

 

P3S - (added later) - actually the "sec.8"  file of the attachments in post/link No.3 above was one of the two "haccp" chunks that I was seeking. I find "functional Integrity" a rather debatable FS hazard. :smile:

 

P4S - I omitted to credit Foodworker for all the excellent posts above. Thanks so much.  :thumbup:


Kind Regards,

 

Charles.C


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Posted 13 February 2015 - 11:12 AM

Hi All,

We make secondary packaging for ready meals. i.e. We print, cut and glue the sleeves that you find around the ready meals in the supermarkets such as curry, lasagna etc. I agree, get a std and do a gap. If you can, get a copy of guidance to help interpret the requirements. Key to the process is selecting the correct materials with the accepted food contact limits on migration & heavy metals,  One item I did not fully understand initially was 3.7.3 of the standard. We had to get a declaration from all suppliers of materials ( board, paper, glue, ink) stating the suitability/limits for food use i.e. hot/cold, dry, moist, greasy etc. In addition they need to declare compliance with their relevant industries regs. with regards to ingredients they use are acceptability for food contact material . e.g. EuIPA for ink, .We also have Migration test results and declarations from the board suppliers. This is pat of our HACCP.

The only CCP we have is a bar code scanner. We do composite printing so it is possible for designs to get mixed and one food be packed in the wrong sleeve. This would lead to the ingredients label  misleading the consumer and could be eaten causing an allergic reaction. The scanner reads the bar code and alarms if there is a rough in the run. The rest is a bit easier to understand. 

Regards

Sharon



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Posted 18 February 2016 - 09:05 AM

We do composite printing so it is possible for designs to get mixed and one food be packed in the wrong sleeve. This would lead to the ingredients label  misleading the consumer and could be eaten causing an allergic reaction. The scanner reads the bar code and alarms if there is a rough in the run. The rest is a bit easier to understand. 

Regards

Sharon

 

I've never got my head around composite printing.

 

1. A nightmare to control due to potential for mixing

2. You always have to print the same amount of each design and if the customer orders a larger quantity of one design than the other then you overproduce

3. If you have a defect on one lane and you need to print a balance then you have to print also the design without a defect

 

That's why I never agree to composite printing. :smile:


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