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#1 aps

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 01:27 PM

Hi 

 

I hope I explain correctly.......

 

Is it possible to have 2 kill dates is a batch of Beef?? and label up with oldest kill date.

 

Is there a requirement in the UK (Legal) which can confirm what is acceptable.

 

Me thinks this is a no go as the kill date should be the correct kill date of the animal.

 

The thing is the company I work for has been using two kill dates in a batch but declaring one date so I will need some literature to back me up to say NO......

 

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 01:43 PM

There is quite a bit of information on the Gov website here.


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Posted 08 September 2015 - 01:54 PM

Slightly off topic here but I just need to say how much easier governmental websites are to read from the UK than here in the US. I swear they try to make it hard to understand over here. I try to read junk from the FDA and it is so caught up in itself I have to read things multiple times to get it. Then I use the link brianweber provided and - ta da! - it's the easiest thing to understand since reading to my 4 year old.

 

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 01:57 PM

I could not agree more. We make stuff WAY to difficult over here. A 3 paragraph explanation can normally be summed up in 3 words. "Don't do it" 


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Posted 08 September 2015 - 02:01 PM

I have looked here but it is not really that specific about kill dates mixing in batches?

 

Basically we kill two dates and call this a batch but label with oldest kill date but on a traceability it shows we used the two kill dates but label shows one kill date (Hope you still following)

 

So basically I have been told legally I can not do this (which in a way I agree) but as mentioned above I need clear guidance to use with the gaffers

 

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 02:12 PM

My thoughts on this are a little different. The company is actually hurting themselves by slaughtering on one day and claiming to have done it a day earlier. This would shorten your available best by dates wouldn't it? As long as you maintain traceability I don't see an issue with using the prior days date. Everything i have read says you "should" but does not say you have to. I can't really find anything that is concrete saying yes you have to use the exact date.

 

Q         Must I have a traceability system?

 

A         Yes.

The exact type of information it should contain depends on your operation but it could contain some or all of the following:

 

  • Intake date (of animal, carcass or cut)
  • The supplier
  • Delivery note details
  • Kill date
  • Weight
  • UK ear tag/cattle passport or reference code
  • Product (cut)
  • Tray number or colour
  • Date placed on the counter

 

And link these to:

 

  • The reference number or code

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 02:22 PM

I agree....... within this batch using two different kill dates we can still trace the animal fully. The issue is with the labeling on what kill date to apply for example:

 

1 batch

 

Kill date 27th used

Kill date 28th used

 

Label declares 27th 

 

The customer is saying this is illegal to apply the 27th to the label as traceability shows we have used kill date 28th.

 

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 09:04 AM

Can somebody confirm please........

 

Kill dates i.e. one kill date (oldest first) is permitted by EU Food Law two cover two kill dates in a batch

 

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 09:20 AM

Hi aps,

 

Not sure if this is what you are referring to (via Brian's link) -

 

Attached File  batch number.png   108.82KB   0 downloads

 

or

 

Attached File  batch number2.png   77.81KB   0 downloads

 

 the answer would seem to be - it depends.

 

if no.2, i would opine that yr customer may have a point.


Edited by Charles.C, 09 September 2015 - 10:07 AM.
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