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Simon Timperley : Good to be back food Safety Friends1
Zack S. : Hello from the over-taxed state of ILLINOIS
Yehia : Hi everybody, Yehia from Cairo, Egypt
Pedro : Somebody have video or audio?
Nila Chua : Hello from Toronto, ON Canada
Michael : nothing on my screen yet
June Ly : Good Morning from Canada.
Latif Miah : hi all
Simon Timperley : Pedro is youtube blocked in your business? If so you cannot watch.
Ana Avalos : Hi simon,
Simon Timperley : Hi Ana
Ana Avalos : there is not video or audio
Mohammed El Wakeel : did you start or not yet
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Bernardo F. Isiderio Jr : Hi Simon
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Jane : Hi from Lagos, Nigeria
Colleen : Joined - from Russia
patricia : patricia
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Leonard : Leonard from Toronto
Crystal : Hello All From WInchester VA. We have no audio
Mark : Grand Rapids, MI
Elizabeth : Where is the downloadable checklist? I can't find it on your website
Gustavo : Hi, I,am Gustavo Diaz I from MÃ©xico
Simon Timperley : ctrl F5 your browser
How important is compressed air
for food packaging materials..like paper cups or egg cartons?
Simon Timperley : we will circulate the documents and slides in the follow up email
Colleen : Would like the check list please
Ana Avalos : still no Audio or video
Simon Timperley : checklist will be circulated afterwards
David Snee : Multiple refreshes didn't work for me in Chrome. Opened in Safari and audio worked.
michele : Where do I find the check list?
Simon Timperley : see my comment below Michelle
Jackie Lapointe : Jackie from Portland, OR
David Snee : If you still aren't getting audio, a different browser might work for you--did for me.
Simon Timperley : try chrome or firefox, they work best
"Hey Colleen - Here is what SQF says about packaging: SQF Packaging Products
""13.5.4 Air Quality 184.108.40.206 Compressed air
that contacts packaging products shall be clean and present no risk to food safety. "
jrumbuc : audio is not working for me either
chris@crepecuisine : press f5
jimmy : Hi From Devon, a bit late sorry - Jimmy
paula : how do I get video full screen?
Kerry : everything was working fine and now I have the spinning circle of doom
Dan : Good morning to all from central California
Colleen : Thanks Torrey I know that, but what elements of. Ontamination should we be looking at?
Colleen : Contamination
SQF 220.127.116.11 Compressed air
used in the manufacturing process shall be regularly monitored for purity.â€
Colleen : How often is regular? If regulation does not state.
what are audit compliance elements for compressed air
Renu Agrawal : Is it compulsory to have micron filter at all user point
Brian : Colleen - depends upon your risk assessment
NEDA : hi, I can't download the previous webinars
If the packaging is direct food contact and there is a risk that compressed air
can come into contact with product or product surfaces Ii think the contaminants we are discussing here
Torrey : Senthil: ISO does not set standards. Both FDA and SQF recommend taking a Risk Assessment/Hazard Analysis to determine possible specs for your product. I think she stated she will get to this later in the presentation...
Simon Timperley : Neda contatc firstname.lastname@example.org
filters are put in our compressed air
lines. what size filter would be suitable to contain these type of contamination
NEDA : ok, thanks Simon
Jema : Hello
guru : if you are using oil free compreÃŸor it avoids
SENTHIL : Thank you Torrey
Is there anyone who can share a sample/reference risk assessment document for compressed air
? That would be very helpful. Thank you!
Arek : Hello
Sara : We buy Food Grade Nitrogen to do a blow of our primary packaging. What type of filter should be used after the piping?
Kunyi Jiang : Cananda
Emily : USA
Anna Carolina Zaroni : Brazil
Michelle : US
Susan : USA
Christine : Canada
michele : USA
Carter : US
Paul Smith : USA
Stella : USA
Margaret : US
Laura : USA
Andrea Deazley : Canada
Kerry : US
Jessica : USA
Have you got a reference of microbiological criteria for compressed air
Renu Agrawal : What will be replacement frequency of 0.2 micron filter
Sheila : Canada
David : USA
Andre Kutassy : ANA CAROLINA QUAL RDC NO BRAZIL
Rachel Singer : USA
Colleen : But not so strict Russia
Paul : Canada
James : USA
Heidi : USA
jerry johnson : usa'
mitch buckley : USA
NEDA : Canada
paula : yes US
Kameel : usa
Rich : USA
mariam : USA
Amanda Krier : USA
guru : India
Jennifer Clifford : USA
Adriana Rodriguez : mexico
Georgia : USA
Alicia : usa
Monika : Canada
SENTHIL : India
Arek : Ireland
ramzy howait : egypt
Sara, why do you use compressed air
on packaging? I don't know much about this topic.
Jema : Nigeria
chris@crepecuisine : Cornwall
Simon Timperley : Ha ha Chris
Colleen : Yes quality limits not established
Jane : Nigeria
mariya : iran
Torrey : Monika: Ruby (Trace Analytics) said they can supply a sample risk assessment as well as a blank one.
paul : I beleive we use 0.5 microns
Andre Kutassy : WHO ANSWERED BRAZIL, COULD PLS SAY NUMBER OF THE RDC, PLEASE
Renu Agrawal : What should be replacement frequency for 0.2 micron filter at user point
Adriana Rodriguez : Sorry I can not see the video
Kelly Tang : What is the common class for analytical lab equipment?
Sara : We use Nitrogen to open plastic pouches that we fill with juice after. We also use Nitrogen to push juice left in the pipeline on transfer between tanks
Liz : Is there a definition of the purity classes ?
How is the correct way to do microbiological analysis in compressed air
Elizabeth : Gotcha, Sara. Makes sense now.
Andre Kutassy : WE USE 1:2:1 FOR FOOD CONTACT AND 1:4:1 FOR INDIRECT FOOD CONTACT ( EXAMPLE : PACKAGING AIR BLOW)
Bernardo F. Isiderio Jr : how safe is sterile filter use in aseptic process
guru : what will be filter size for food industry?
Lilian : I do not know an Anvisa regulation for this, there
Brian : Is anyone else having to reconnect/refresh multiple times, because the feed keeps pausing or locking up?
Torrey : Liz: purity classes = Purity classes designate limits for each contaminant. As classes increase from 1 to 7, limits become less stringent.
Chi Samuel : Good day Samuel from Cameroon
Lilian : I do not know an Anvisa regulation for this in Brazil
Torrey : Liz: Trace Analytics does this type of testing
Colleen : Twice per year'
Colleen : Thank you for links!
mitch buckley : Yes, from T.A
Sherri : yes, for micro
We test our compressed air
by blowing the air on to an open pertidish with appropriate media ( provided by a third party laboratory) for about 2 minutes. The petri is safely closed after 2 minutes, packed and sent to the lab for testing yeast and mold as we are a bakery.
Margaret : We have two people viewing this class. Can we get two certificates?
James : We test for yeast and mold
Joseph : Yes, for micro
Andre Kutassy : ANA CAROLINA DO YOU KNOW WHICH RDC IN BRAZIL?
Renu Agrawal : Yes we monitor
Simon Timperley : Yes Margaret as you add your own names to the certificate
Colleen : How to asses the risk= testing
Torrey : Monika: Is that micro testing an ISO method?
Don : yes - non iso
guru : yes for micro
paula : no we are not currently testing
Colleen : Check list please!
Chillida : Hi every body i'm laie today
Brian : Colleen - all documentation relating to this presentation will be sent out via email later
michele : Is Air Quality testing / petri dish method suitable? In my opinion i feel that it would not be acceptable.
Mohammed El Wakeel : Mariam link invalid
Monika : YES - Non ISO 8573 Standard
Torrey : I agree Michele
Torrey : Thank you Monika
Renu Agrawal : ISO 8573 define how to monitor micro
Monika : Torrey : We are not ISO certified. We do it for BRC.
we are only using compressed air
for removing debris from equipment before equipment & entire Processing area is sanitized between Processing shifts. Should it be tested if sanitation procedures are performed after using?
Torrey : Michele: I think it is suitable if you use an impaction microbial sampler. I believe that is what ISO recommends.
Renu Agrawal : Agree With Torrey
Torrey : Monika: Do you use BCAS as a reference for setting your standards for particles, water, and oil? Indirect vs direct use specs?
Susan : Why does Pizza and Bread have a different water class?
sylvester : what catrgory does cocoa powder falls in your list
Jenny Chan : anyone from sugar refinery here?
Kondylia : No
Renu Agrawal : How frequently we should replace 0.2 micron filter at user point
michele : thanks Torrey
Monika : Torrey- not really ! After this seminar we might consider doing that :)
Colleen : Please help with using comressed air to move paper cups through a plastic tunnel from A-B
Torrey : Sylvester and Susan: I think these are short list of exampled and we would want to define our specs based on a risk assessment.
Liz : how would you determine if the 0.2 micron filter is effective/non effective?
Anne Marie : Anyone here in manufacturing flavor ingredients?
Renu Agrawal : Liz : monthly we do air micro sampling
Stephen : Liz you would determine the performance with a bubble point test or water diffusion test
Colleen : Ok so air from the tunnels needs to be tested?
Liz : Im not familar with the bubble point test /water diffusion test
Liz: you could test before and after installation. Also, refer to your vendor as to their maintenance plan for replacement, and cross check it with compressed air testing
samples to see how often you should be replacing filters (possibly dependent on your system and results of the risk assessment)
Nikki : Liz - you can also look at the ISO 8573 chart - which purity classes align with your filter's limits? then test according to that ISO class. Passing that test will tell you that your filters are working properly.
Stephen : Liz, if it is membrane based 0.2um then the manufacturer publishes data for the BP and diffusion. measure it using a unit such as the one from Flow Test GmbH designed for usin the food and bev industry
Torrey : Nikki: thank you! great suggestion.
Renu Agrawal : Through impaction air sampler
Monika : Renu - Thank you
Liz : Stephen- do you have more information on the Flow Test GmbH?
Renu - What kind of microbes do you test for the compressed air
Liz : we are using the 0.2 micron filter, now to prove why we are using this as predecessor had implemented this
Renu Agrawal : Bacteria, fungi
Monika : Any specific bacteria? or overall count?
I'm in CA, which lab should I use for the air testing
Stephen : Liz, Filter Integrity Ltd in the UK market and support this, contact them using their website for more info.
Liz : we use compress air both on RTE and raw side, so different testing parameters
Renu Agrawal : Overall count but we characterized by gram stain
Torrey : Stella: Trace Analytics does testing globally. They are based in TX
Jessica : thank you!
Renu Agrawal : Colony morphology plus gram stain
Stella : Torrey: Thank you
guru : thank you
Heida : Great presentation. Much thanks
Nila Chua : Thank you, very informative.
Anna Carolina Zaroni : thank you very much!!
joao : thank you.
Renu Agrawal : Great presentation
Stella : Thank you! hope you feel better!
Renu Agrawal : Thank you
Andre Kutassy : THANK YOU SO MUCH RUBY!! WELL DONE!!
Stella : Very helpful information :)
Skip DeMaso : Thank You!
Heidi : Thank you so much Ruby! Very informative and feel better!
Brian : Good presentation, thank you, Ruby and Simon
Jennifer Clifford : How do you test for water and oil? We test for Micro.
Mark : Thanks Ruby.
Luis Aresta : tks
Tom Ludeke : Ruby, how do you test? Can you give us an idea of cost?
Sara : Great presentation!
Paul : Thank you!
marwa : thank you
Stephen : Do I legally have to test in the UK ?
Rich : Thank you!
Monika : Renu - Thank you very much for sharing :)
Chi Samuel : thank you so much for all the insights
Marlene : Thank you Ruby!
Chi Samuel : great presentation
Elizabeth : If compressors are only used to run machinery, is there need to test?
ramzy howait : Thanks a lot Ruby Ochoa!!!!!!
PewLim : Great presentation Thank you
Jeremy : Tons of information delivered in short time. Is material aavailable?
Melissa : Excellent presentation! Thank you Ruby!
Wynn : What method of sampling do you recommend?
Stephen : Can you claim test compliance if you dont follwo what the standard states ?
Torrey : Elizabeth: there are protocols for pneumatic tools testing. The specs include less stringent purity classes.
ramzy howait : Thanks Simon Timperley!!!!
Portia : Excellent presentation Ruby. Very informative
Nurani Sinaga : Thank you Simon
Torrey : Wyn: ISO 8573-1:2010 has a list of methods
Nurani Sinaga : Thank you Ruby
Shannon : Great information! Thank you!
Stella : If I want to test the air by myself should I buy a testing kit and send it to the lab? How do I collect the sample?
Joseph : What about jet coding machinery? Is this testing required for GFSI?
Luis : Are the testing methods verified and certified? Will you provide lab certificate with the results?
Elizabeth : Thanks Torrey - can you reference where to find the protocols? Are they in ISO 8573?
Colleen : Thank you!!
Torrey : Stella: That is exactly what Trace Analytics does. You can take your own sample, and they test it for you. Or you can use one of their distributors. The kits come with instructions.
For nitrogen generating systems dependent on compressed air
as the source for generating nitrogen gas, are the harzards the same as compressed air
Colleen : Can we get the answers to all questions by email?
Stella : Torrey: Thank you!
Sara : We use Food Grade Nitrogen to blow plastic pouches that are filled with juice after. What type of filter is required before the use point?
Jayson Chewa : Thank you
Kelly Tang : What are the typical air quality standards for air used for analytical instruments?
Liz : will you be able to share the information on the nitrogen generating system?
Elizabeth : Are there recommended limits out there for microorganisms?
Joseph : We use air jet coding in our plant. Does this air need tested for GFSI?
Jessica : yes to the nitrogen webinar!
John : Please Information on Nitrogen
Bernardo F. Isiderio Jr : We have USFDA Audit next month, does they check for air test, we are on aseptic process, tetra technology
Stephen : Note that the air is either sterile or not !
John : Yes for Nitrogen
Jennifer Clifford : We have a spec. of less than or equal to 30 CFU for micro.; however we are nRTE.
Liz : yes please as we are considering the installation of nitrogen generating system.
Joseph: SQF uses GFSI as their reference so I would say yes since SQF requires testing of compressed air
Liz : excellent presentation ! eye opener!!
John : Thank you!
Margaret : Thanks!
Torrey : Thank you, Ruby!!
Nila Chua : Thanks Simon and Ruby
Roberto : Thank you!!!!
yoga : thanks for a great and informative presentation
Luis Aresta : thank you
David : Go team.
Stella : Thank you!
Joseph : thank you!
MLChillida : Thanks
Kelly Tang : Thank you, Ruby and Simon!
June Ly : Excellent presentation. Thank you for sharing.
Dina Ayala : is this video going to be available online?
Leonard : thank you
Sherri : Thank you!
TULAY : thank you for the informations
guru : thank you
mich : thank you!
Dan : thank you
YOUSSEF : thanks a lot
Ming Jack : thank you