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#1 SoupsNStuff

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 06:32 PM

Hello, 

 

I just did a mock recall on some produce and did not achieve 99.5-105% traceability (required by our 3rd party auditor). Our purchasing manager says we usually only get 78% yield on that ingredient due to 22% shrinkage/waste/etc, which I accounted for and ended up with 97% traced product. Of course this isn't the same every time and depends on that specific lot of produce. So, if I were to allow a 20-25% expected loss due to shrinkage, I could get 100% traced in this particular case.

 

A few issues with this:

1. Is this acceptable to an auditor? 

2. If yes, how/where do I include a statement claiming our expected/allowable yield difference?

3. If no, how do I successfully get at least 99.5% with this problem? 

 

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Posted 10 May 2018 - 07:39 PM

Yields are only based on historical data and averages........carrots farmer Tom at X weight lose X amount to ends and peeling and so forth. ASAIMC, any auditor worth their weight (sorry for the pun) should understand that waste and yield in produce are incredibly variable.

One can assume that the variance increases the higher the water content in said produce is. 

 

I think if you are able to demonstrate where your data comes from (not pulled from thin air) and you've included this statement in your policy/program, you should be good.

 

I would include it your Trace ability/recall program with a reference to a historical data annex/appendix

I'm in the same boat.........our waste #'s are about the same as your's.............I have not done a mock on the produce for that very reason.........i mock all the other "fixed" ingredients


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Posted 11 May 2018 - 02:20 AM

Hello,

 

in doing traceability/accounting of you raw materials to finished product, you have to account everything including wastage, moisture content. You have to justify the allegation of you purchaser that there is 22% shrinkage. It must be accounted for. Where did it go? If it is moisture content, show your moisture content test to the auditor.

 

The equation must be balance.

 

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 06:35 PM

I think if you are able to demonstrate where your data comes from (not pulled from thin air) and you've included this statement in your policy/program, you should be good.

 

I would include it your Trace ability/recall program with a reference to a historical data annex/appendix

 

Oh the prep team will love me when I tell them they have to start weighing their waste for a yield study haha!



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Posted 11 May 2018 - 06:56 PM

Lol, and the supervisors will love it even less if your operations/plant manager decides it should ALWAYS be weighed (last location---poultry---everything little scrap of waste was)!

 

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 12:25 AM

Hello,

 

If you really want data your have to measure everything to know the real picture where the component of your inputs goes. Auditor will sure find the data to justify your claim. Tedious but the result is very useful.

 

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 03:46 PM

Hi all
How would you recall a specific batch of produce since it has no expiry/date coding?

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 06:12 PM

it should have a specific lot code on it regardless of packed on date


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Posted 26 July 2019 - 11:46 PM

If I were you I would do a yield study to verify what the purchasing manager says.  Tedious, but you find it very enlightening....

 

Imagine doing a yield study for 1000 plus finished products....yup, I had to do that in one of my previous positions to verify the yields for traceability.  Our numbers were off by a few percent on most products, but a couple of them we overestimated the yields and actually found some issues with our batching which produced variability in the finished product BRIX during packing.







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