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Posted 20 June 2018 - 09:01 AM

hello all, i would like to know from you what is the difference between ingredient and raw materiel according to the  BRC , even though in BRC we talk about raw materiel and not about ingredient , 



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Posted 20 June 2018 - 01:00 PM

They are one and the same

 

Whatever your "ingredients" are is also your "raw materials" 

 

It's just another name meaning the same thing


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Posted 20 June 2018 - 03:06 PM

hello all, i would like to know from you what is the difference between ingredient and raw materiel according to the  BRC , even though in BRC we talk about raw materiel and not about ingredient , 

 

Hi selma,

 

from the BRC7 glossary -
 

 

Raw material - Any base material or semi-finished material used by the organisation for the manufacture of a product.
Raw material includes packaging material.

 

Unfortunately "base material" is undefined.

"Ingredient" is also undefined.

 

I speculate that the word "base" is intended to have this kind of (BRC) meaning -

 

Liquid egg, liquid
milk/drinks, cream,
liquid tea and coffee
creamers, yogurts,
fermented milk-based
products, fromage
frais/crème fraîche,
butter

 

 

So, for example, additives would presumably usually be "ingredients".


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Posted 20 June 2018 - 03:18 PM

Hi selma,

 

from the BRC7 glossary -
 

 

Unfortunately "base material" is undefined.

"Ingredient" is also undefined.

 

I speculate that the word "base" is intended to have this kind of (BRC) meaning -

 

 

So, for example, additives would presumably usually be "ingredients".

hello charles , 

from the BRC7 glossary -there is : raw materiel and food raw material, i wanna know  if the clause 3.5 applies to these both terms



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Posted 20 June 2018 - 06:59 PM

hello charles , 

from the BRC7 glossary -there is : raw materiel and food raw material, i wanna know  if the clause 3.5 applies to these both terms

 

Hi selma,

 

Good eyes !

 

The terminology "food raw material" was introduced in BRC7 due the appearance of "Vulnerability Assessment (VA)" in Clause 5.7.2.  where a Packaging Vulnerability Assessment  was not required to be included.

 

The terminologies "raw materials" and "ingredients" appear to be used inconsistently within BRC7. For example Clauses 2.3.1,  2.14.1 imply that "raw materials" is (somehow) distinguished from (the undefined) "ingredients". However "raw materials" in clause 3.5.1.1 apparently includes both "ingredients" and "Packaging".

 

See this Post -

 

http://www.ifsqn.com...ier/#entry86732

 

It might have been easier if BRC had used a term like "Process inputs."

 

 

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Posted 25 June 2018 - 07:59 AM

Raw material is any unprocessed or semi-processed material used during manufacturing which includes material, additives & processing aids. While additive is listed as an ingredient because it gets consumed as a part of food, but processing aid doesn't.


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Posted 25 June 2018 - 08:24 AM

Hi selma,

 

Good eyes !

 

The terminology "food raw material" was introduced in BRC7 due the appearance of "Vulnerability Assessment (VA)" in Clause 5.7.2.  where a Packaging Vulnerability Assessment  was not required to be included.

 

The terminologies "raw materials" and "ingredients" appear to be used inconsistently within BRC7. For example Clauses 2.3.1,  2.14.1 imply that "raw materials" is (somehow) distinguished from (the undefined) "ingredients". However "raw materials" in clause 3.5.1.1 apparently includes both "ingredients" and "Packaging".

 

See this Post -

 

http://www.ifsqn.com...ier/#entry86732

 

It might have been easier if BRC had used a term like "Process inputs."

 

 

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as long as there are both terms in the standard we can say that clause 3.5 in this case does not apply to ingredients, although the risk exists for raw materials and ingredients, I am really confused



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Posted 25 June 2018 - 10:02 AM

as long as there are both terms in the standard we can say that clause 3.5 in this case does not apply to ingredients, although the risk exists for raw materials and ingredients, I am really confused

 

As i read it, my link implied all the relevant inputs are to be risk assessed including packaging (analogous to the haccp plan).

 

One way is to apply a simple (input) decision tree as i suggest in "(2)" in this post -

 

http://www.ifsqn.com...al/#entry100194

(particularly the excel option)


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Charles.C




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