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Posted 20 August 2018 - 03:32 AM

regarding on the clause 11.2, what will be the supporting docs to claim the cleaning and sanitation chemicals as food grade? 
 
If you say food grade, do we to have a testing to prove our cleaning chemicals as food grade? 
What laboratory testing or what specific testing as supporting to claim or product as food grade? 
 
can you recommend a certifying body for the certification of food grade?
 
Food safety documents will be enough?


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 06:38 AM

Hi John,

 

The ISO terminology "Food Grade" in this context is often somewhat of a misnomer for many Cleaning/Sanitation Chemicals.  "Food Safe" is a popular "Equivalent", for example see this current extract -

 

Attached File  Food Grade-Safe Cleaning Products.pdf   2.03MB   169 downloads

 

Some typical interpreted responses to "Food Grade" requirements are for example via Official Approval Lists, SDS documentation, Food Chemicals Codex, Product Specification/Usage Sheets.

 

Some answers to qualifying "Food Grade/ Food Safe" are detailed in this related thread -

 

http://www.ifsqn.com...e-safe-for-use/


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 08:18 AM

Good day Charles,

 

Based on the link you send? what will be the reference of the link. Our client insist that we need to a "Food grade certification" because of the  Clause from ISO. 

 

The ISO terminology "Food Grade" in this context is often somewhat of a misnomer for many Cleaning/Sanitation Chemicals.  "Food Safe" is a popular "Equivalent", - do you have a reference for this so we can update our client who's asking for a food grade certificate. So , we can show them that the "Food grade" can be "Food safe" .

 

Being a food safe chemicals? what are the documents we can show them. SDS, Brochure, heavy metals testing is enough?. 



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Posted 20 August 2018 - 10:10 AM

Good day Charles,

 

Based on the link you send? what will be the reference of the link. Our client insist that we need to a "Food grade certification" because of the  Clause from ISO. 

 

 

The ISO terminology "Food Grade" in this context is often somewhat of a misnomer for many Cleaning/Sanitation Chemicals.  "Food Safe" is a popular "Equivalent", - do you have a reference for this so we can update our client who's asking for a food grade certificate. So , we can show them that the "Food grade" can be "Food safe" .


Being a food safe chemicals? what are the documents we can show them. SDS, Brochure, heavy metals testing is enough?. 

 

 

Hi John,

 

http://cleanmiddleea...food-grade.html

 

Some caveats

 

It may depend on client.

It may depend on client's locality.

it may depend on specific chemical.

It may depend on product.

It may depend on related FS Standard (if any)

 

IMEX some typical documents are -

 

(1) Reputable brand

(2) Supplier brochure for chemical stating that acceptable for Cleaning/Sanitation of food contact surfaces in food production facility

(3) SDS data


Edited by Charles.C, 20 August 2018 - 10:14 AM.
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Posted 20 August 2018 - 06:29 PM

NSF is an international standard and if you go to their site, you can scroll through approved products and applications

 

http://www.nsf.org/c...roducts-systems


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 06:45 PM

NSF is an international standard and if you go to their site, you can scroll through approved products and applications

 

http://www.nsf.org/c...roducts-systems

 

Hi Scampi,

 

I found the website distinctly cryptic. :smile:

 

In the context of the OP, does the "certified" mean Certified to be Food Grade ? Seems improbable.


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 06:49 PM

"Food Grade" IIMEX means that the vendor has paid a lab to verify that if you follow the instructions (mixing and use) correctly, the chemical residue (if any) will not alter food

 

NSF is just a body whom business can apply to have their certification added to the end product

 

Just like you can get food grade vinegar and industrial vinegar........they are not interchangable


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 06:50 PM

john2016, you'll need paperwork from the manufacturer to back up your statement that said products are food grade


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 07:37 PM

Hi Scampi,

 

JFI I have attempted to elucidate the precise meanings of "food grade (fg)" and "food safe (fs)" and their difference. Explanations of the 2 terms from different sources tend to be confusing and sometimes seem contradictory.

 

This topic was previously partially studied here -

http://www.ifsqn.com...ion/#entry98144

http://www.ifsqn.com...rust-inhibitor/

 

The shortest/simplest answer i could find to fg/fs is -

 

What is food grade?
Food grade means that the material is either safe for human consumption or it is okay to come into direct contact with food products.

What does food safe mean?
Food safe means that a food-grade material is also suitable for its intended use and will not create a food-safety hazard.

https://www.industri...d-safe-meanings

( i suspect the topic of "food grade/food safe" lubricants may involve deeper analysis/separate handling).

 

The difference between the 2 terms is expanded here -

https://foodsafetyte...ways-food-safe/

(sorry for poor website format)

 

NSF actually do seem to have considerable power in determining whether a chemical is food grade/food safe, eg -

https://blog.bradley...s-for-chemicals

 

After ploughing through the above, IMO  it's a truly semantically murky area.

 

To illustrate the murkiness (albeit OT for the OP/Apologies John!), below is a certified SDS which just might qualify as "ISO Food Grade"

 

But then see Note 7.

 

Attached File  Chain Lubricant.pdf   285.48KB   55 downloads

 

PS - here is another lubricant example which as presented seems likely to contradict the above-quoted definition  -

 

Attached File  food grade lubricants.png   45.93KB   0 downloads


Edited by Charles.C, 21 August 2018 - 03:17 AM.
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