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[magnesowka]

Hi guys

 

Could you please give me a tip an tell me where in FSSC or ISO22k I will find information about time I need to trace my products for example: BRC says I have 4 hours do that. Where can I find in in FSSC?

 

Thanks

[Scampi]

I looked where I could and did not see a maximum time limit.  SQF does not have one either

 

I always target 2 hours in my plan.............because really and truly that is all it should take 

 

I've never understood why on earth it would take 4 hours to figure out where your stuff is??????????????  Maybe the very first time with new software maybe

 

Have you performed one already and how long did it take?

[magnesowka]

We managed that in shorter time but I was wondering where it is written as auditor is saying that there is such a requirement.

[MsMars]

We managed that in shorter time but I was wondering where it is written as auditor is saying that there is such a requirement.

 

Ask the auditor to point out the requirement in the text for you. ISO22k does not have a set time limit that I could find or interpret. 

[012117]

It is not written in ISO 22000, the 2 or 4 hours were likely best practices defined by big multinational companies especially when you use digital system (SAP) which should be set-up to facilitate easier transactions hence quicker traceability.

[gud2ya]

2 hours. 100%

internal standard

[Brendan Triplett]

There is no time limit mentioned only that it be conducted quickly and in a timely manner.  Everyone usually sticks with the 4 hour rule because it is the only number that is mentioned across BRC, FSSC and SQF (even though you can only find it in BRC).  Once you have the system up and running your trace should take considerably less time than that which is why many companies push it to 2 hours.  Mention the 4 hours, test the system to make sure it works and if you can pare down the time at a later date then review the process during your FSP meeting and change it.

 

Cheers

[magnesowka]

Hi guys

 

Thank you very much for all your replies.

 

I challenged auditor with the question about the exact requirement and it turned out that during calibration training which every auditor has once a year, they were told that the objective for traceabilty exercise is 4 hours, however after reviewing all documents he agreed that it is not mentioned in standard.

Summarize: there is no maximum limit for traceability exercise in FSSC, however guidelines for auditor say that it must be done in 4 hours.

[MsMars]

Hi guys

 

Thank you very much for all your replies.

 

I challenged auditor with the question about the exact requirement and it turned out that during calibration training which every auditor has once a year, they were told that the objective for traceabilty exercise is 4 hours, however after reviewing all documents he agreed that it is not mentioned in standard.

Summarize: there is no maximum limit for traceability exercise in FSSC, however guidelines for auditor say that it must be done in 4 hours.

 

Good to hear! Just goes to show - it never hurts to (politely) ask! Could save you a minor or two, anyway. :) 

 

I did the same during an audit, challenging a potential minor that we were on our way to receiving for the second year in a row.  The auditor and I both reviewed the exact wording in the standard and he agreed that he had misinterpreted the standard due to training he had previously received, and also agreed that he should not have given us a minor for the issue the previous year. 

[Scampi]

Good job!!!

 

I will, however, challenge you to get it under 2 hours.  You can add that to meeting minutes as a demonstration of continuous improvement and voila, 2 birds one stone

 

IF (heaven forbid) you ever find yourself in that situation, you will want to get ahold of customers AQAP!!!!

 

It seems to me, auditors are told a lot of "things" that they either believe or get confused with the actual code and it's requirements

 

You can always catch more flies with honey than vinegar..................but sometimes it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission