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#1 vt89

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Posted 14 April 2019 - 02:14 PM

Hi All,

 

My question is about the decision tree (the process steps are:receive goods-storage-repacking-distribution). If i use the 'old' version of the decision tree, every step is a CCP (i find it too much) but if I use the 'new' version where the first question is "is the hazard managed by a pre-requisite programme?" i am going to answer "yes" -because before I implement HACCP system the prerequisite programmes have to be in place- so in that case i don't have CCP at all, which i feel incorrect as well.

 

If I use the old one and all of the steps are CCP the way how i can monitor or the corrective actions will require the same documentations what i need as an evidence when i say i have the prerequisite programme in place. For example pest control documents to eliminate physical hazard during storage. The pest control is already a prerequisite.

 

Which tree shall I use? How can i make a difference between the process step is managed by prerequisite programmes or still a CCP?

 

Thank you for the help.



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Posted 14 April 2019 - 02:58 PM

Hi All,

 

My question is about the decision tree (the process steps are:receive goods-storage-repacking-distribution). If i use the 'old' version of the decision tree, every step is a CCP (i find it too much) but if I use the 'new' version where the first question is "is the hazard managed by a pre-requisite programme?" i am going to answer "yes" -because before I implement HACCP system the prerequisite programmes have to be in place- so in that case i don't have CCP at all, which i feel incorrect as well.

 

If I use the old one and all of the steps are CCP the way how i can monitor or the corrective actions will require the same documentations what i need as an evidence when i say i have the prerequisite programme in place. For example pest control documents to eliminate physical hazard during storage. The pest control is already a prerequisite.

 

Which tree shall I use? How can i make a difference between the process step is managed by prerequisite programmes or still a CCP?

 

Thank you for the help.

 

Generically, trees which include the PRP program are probably, currently, more common but not exclusively.

 

The scope of Prerequisites may depend on yr intended FS Standard (if any).

 

If you find every step is a CCP you may have misunderstood the concept of  significant hazards.


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Posted 14 April 2019 - 10:00 PM

Hi 

 

I posted yesterday about OPRPS and CCPs and the decision trees and as Charles.C advised me that maybe I am underutilizing the PRPS.

 

THe FSSC 22000 decision tree is the way to go from my perspective - You can still control and monitor and have documents in place for your OPRPs-- more like an action criteria kind of system from what I have been trained- still having the documentation in place

 

Maybe this definition will help:

 

"Operational Prerequisite Programs (OPRPs)

OPRPs are special types of PRPs. They are also control measures aimed at maintaining a safe and hygienic environment. But, unlike regular PRPs, they do control specific hazards and steps in the process. The main differences between OPRPs and CCPs is that OPRPs aren’t based on critical limits and they don’t have “absolute” control over the hazard. This means that while OPRPs are essential, their failure doesn’t automatically mean a product is unsafe."

 

Like Charles. C stated - its the significance of the hazard and potential of that hazard to cause  harm to the consumer 

 

Hope this helps 



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Posted 15 April 2019 - 03:33 AM

Hi 

 

I posted yesterday about OPRPS and CCPs and the decision trees and as Charles.C advised me that maybe I am underutilizing the PRPS.

 

THe FSSC 22000 decision tree is the way to go from my perspective - You can still control and monitor and have documents in place for your OPRPs-- more like an action criteria kind of system from what I have been trained- still having the documentation in place

 

Maybe this definition will help:

 

"Operational Prerequisite Programs (OPRPs)

OPRPs are special types of PRPs. They are also control measures aimed at maintaining a safe and hygienic environment. But, unlike regular PRPs, they do control specific hazards and steps in the process. The main differences between OPRPs and CCPs is that OPRPs aren’t based on critical limits and they don’t have “absolute” control over the hazard. This means that while OPRPs are essential, their failure doesn’t automatically mean a product is unsafe."

 

Like Charles. C stated - its the significance of the hazard and potential of that hazard to cause  harm to the consumer 

 

Hope this helps 

 

Hi Nassu,

 

The thread is rather mixing together Codex and ISO haccp/decision tree concepts. :smile:

 

Actually ISO22000 has (IMO, substantially) simplified a few things in 2018.

 

This is the latest definition of OPRP -

 

OPRP
control measure  or combination of control measures applied to prevent or reduce a significant food safety hazard  to an acceptable level, and where action criterion  and measurement  or observation enable effective control of the process  and/or product.
 

 

Personally, I consider that, from a haccp POV,  the introduction of OPRP was a confused and mostly un-necessary development but many people will disagree.

 

I also have analogous feelings towards FSMA. Perhaps less people will disagree there.

 


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Posted Yesterday, 11:12 AM

What is the 'new' version of the decision tree?

 

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Posted Yesterday, 11:28 AM

What is the 'new' version of the decision tree?

 

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Hi Simao,

 

afaik, pioneered by Campden. Actually not so new any more.

 

See the link inside this post -

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...ps/#entry129673


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