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Posted 28 May 2019 - 04:36 PM

Quick question about the new section 8 of BRC Version 8.

 

Clause 8.1 differentiates between high-care and ambient high-care. However, after 8.1 there is no differentiation and my BRC auditor tells me that BRC often does not differentiate between high-care and ambient high-care. I don't totally agree with this. If BRC makes a distinction between high-care and ambient in one section, why wouldn't they make a distinction in all sections that applies to both high-care and ambient high-care?

 

Has anyone had any auditors or BRC officials state the same or differently?

 

Thank you. 



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Posted 31 May 2019 - 03:41 PM

Interesting catch in the code. Reading the definitions in the glossary, the only difference is the use of Ambient, The intention may have been just to differentiate between an area that would have temperature controls to assist in maintaining sanitary conditions and those that do not have the same control. The areas would likely be treated in the same manner for environmental monitoring and testing, as well as processing requirements.

 

Great question!!



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Posted 10 June 2019 - 08:27 PM

is this apply in rice processing industry: if is it how it is applicable and what should be its templete



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Posted 15 June 2019 - 04:05 AM

is this apply in rice processing industry: if is it how it is applicable and what should be its templete


Are you talking about cooked or raw rice? Either way there is a flow in the standard for assessing if your area is low risk, high care, high risk or ambient high care.


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Posted 15 June 2019 - 04:13 AM

Quick question about the new section 8 of BRC Version 8.

 

Clause 8.1 differentiates between high-care and ambient high-care. However, after 8.1 there is no differentiation and my BRC auditor tells me that BRC often does not differentiate between high-care and ambient high-care. I don't totally agree with this. If BRC makes a distinction between high-care and ambient in one section, why wouldn't they make a distinction in all sections that applies to both high-care and ambient high-care?

 

Has anyone had any auditors or BRC officials state the same or differently?

 

Thank you. 

 

Quick questions are often the opposite to answer. :smile:

 

JFI I think this has been forum discussed previously (somewhere).

 

What does I.G. say (if anything) ?


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Posted 17 June 2019 - 05:22 PM

Quick questions are often the opposite to answer. :smile:

 

JFI I think this has been forum discussed previously (somewhere).

 

What does I.G. say (if anything) ?

I did look for other discussions on this topic, but I was unable to find them. 

 

My apologies, what is "I.G."?



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Posted 17 June 2019 - 08:50 PM

I did look for other discussions on this topic, but I was unable to find them. 

 

My apologies, what is "I.G."?

 

Sorry, = BRC Interpretation Guidelines.


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Posted 17 June 2019 - 09:10 PM

Sorry, = BRC Interpretation Guidelines.

 

No problem. Thank you for the clarification.

 

To answer your question about what the Interpretation Guideline says; it really is not much. I use the IG often and is what I use during internal audits and during our actual BRC audit. While I understand it is just a guideline, it goes a long way to helping explain things.

 

The issue I have is that throughout Sections 1-7, Ambient, as far as I can tell, is separated out from High-Risk and High-Care. Both the Standard and IG also separate them out. For this reason, I don't see why Section 8 should be any different. Section 8.1 specifically separates all three areas and even specifies specific requirements for Ambient.

 

If specific requirements for areas are defined in one section of the Standard, shouldn't they be specifically defined in all sections? It feels confusing to be held to one standard for the majority of the audit and then to a different standard for one section.

 

I feel like I'm making too much of this, but maybe that's only because I got lucky in that I received no NC's in section 8. If I had, I think I might be a bit more frustrated.



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Posted 18 June 2019 - 12:56 AM

atifengineer2008, on 11 Jun 2019 - 01:27 AM, said:snapback.png

is this apply in rice processing industry: if is it how it is applicable and what should be its templete

Are you talking about cooked or raw rice? Either way there is a flow in the standard for assessing if your area is low risk, high care, high risk or ambient high care. 

 

 

 

Can you share me flow in the standard for assessing area?

 

i am talking about Brown rice manufacturing /Processing in a Mill.



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Posted 18 June 2019 - 07:14 AM

 

atifengineer2008, on 11 Jun 2019 - 01:27 AM, said:snapback.png

Are you talking about cooked or raw rice? Either way there is a flow in the standard for assessing if your area is low risk, high care, high risk or ambient high care. 

 

 

 

Can you share me flow in the standard for assessing area?

 

i am talking about Brown rice manufacturing /Processing in a Mill.

 

 

You can download the Standard from BRC website for free.


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Posted 18 June 2019 - 02:27 PM

 

 

 

i am talking about Brown rice manufacturing /Processing in a Mill.

 

 

So I'm guessing raw rice?  Unlikely IMO to be high care or ambient high care but if you go through the flow diagram in the standard (which is free to download as Charles says) then I'm sure it will be self explanatory. 





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