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#1 damia00

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 02:06 AM

Hi,

 

I want to ask,

Auditor from Tesco ask me during audit.

How you determine your control points? Is that any table can refer to?

can you guys advise me on this issues?

 

As i from Frozen French Fries industry. Before this we have 5 CCP's. But I already reduce to 3 CCP's and let other previous 2 CCP's become CP. That's why this issues come.

 

Please advise.

 

Thanks



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 04:08 AM

Determining CP's (Control Points) and then allocating some as CCP's (Critical Control Points) should be a systematic and logical process (that is HACCP System) that would mainly based on the standard  you are following. If you are following Tesco Food Standard then AFAIK it requires that the HACCP system must be based on Codex Alimentarius principles which includes CCP decision tree. You can search out the literature on net and here on IFSQN to help you out how to determine CP's and CCP's.



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 05:06 AM

Hi,

 

I want to ask,

Auditor from Tesco ask me during audit.

How you determine your control points? Is that any table can refer to?

can you guys advise me on this issues?

 

As i from Frozen French Fries industry. Before this we have 5 CCP's. But I already reduce to 3 CCP's and let other previous 2 CCP's become CP. That's why this issues come.

 

Please advise.

 

Thanks

 

Codex haccp makes no use of "Control Point". Originated with USA/NACMCF.

 

Does Tesco Manual require use of CP ? I anticipate "NO".


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Posted 03 June 2019 - 05:57 AM

Codex haccp makes no use of "Control Point". Originated with USA/NACMCF.

 

Does Tesco Manual require use of CP ? I anticipate "NO".

 

 

Yes Tesco Manual doesn't require use of CP.

So means these 2 CP need to be CCP back?

I'm very confused with this.

 

 

Thanks



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 08:00 PM

Yes Tesco Manual doesn't require use of CP.

So means these 2 CP need to be CCP back?

I'm very confused with this.

 

 

Thanks

 

 

I'll give an example. When raw materials arrive at my current client's loading dock they must have a Certificate of Analysis (or one must have been sent before the material arrives). I debated whether to make the COA itself a CP or CCP. In the end I decided to make the Salmonella and E. coli test results the CCP (they must be negative, the Critical Limit). If they are positive (or missing) the shipment is not accepted. This is a CCP, but a very easy one.



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Posted 04 June 2019 - 06:43 AM

Dear damia00

determining CP is purely based on hazard analysis and application of decision tree. Proper justification is required to change CCPs to CPs. CPs must be controlled either by measurable or observable specifications.



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Posted 05 June 2019 - 05:01 AM

Yes Tesco Manual doesn't require use of CP.

So means these 2 CP need to be CCP back?

I'm very confused with this.

 

 

Thanks

 

 

If yr risk assessment adequately supported yr choice of CCPs and such was accepted by auditor as sufficient,for yr process, IMO no reason to change yr total CCP results.

 

 

BRC (and presumably Tesco also) do not "expect" to see CPs but they are not specifically forbidden either (and are apparently [US System] required by some other FS Standards like SQF).

 

 

Perhaps  yr auditor just "wondered" why you chose to use CPs in yr presentation so asked you for some "explanation". Presumably you did have some criteria for yr CP decision ??

 

Can see some CP "info" here - 

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...”-ccps-and-cps/


Kind Regards,

 

Charles.C





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