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[Dakis]

Hi there, if there is already an existing topic about that, please transfer this dialogue there. Thanks I want to ask if someone can tell me (just refer to it by title without any details) which are the minimum documented Procedures, PRPs and job instructions that must exist in a company documentation that want to be certified to the standard. Thanks in advance

 

 

[Charles.C]

Hi there,

 

If there is already an existing topic about that, please transfer this dialogue there. Thanks

 

I want to ask if someone can tell me (just refer to it by title without any details) which are the minimum documented Procedures, PRPs and job instructions that must exist in a company documentation that want to be certified to the standard. 

 

Thanks in advance

 

Hi Dakis,

 

Yes, it has been asked before.

 

Maybe try a search.

[Dakis]

Dear Charles C.,

 

Thanks for the answer

 

I did not make the request out of boredom 

 

Other than check lists, there is not anything other I could find. It's ok, I ll take it out of the standard

 

Thanks again

[Charles.C]

Hi Dakis,

 

One detailed example -

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...ir/#entry159740

 

or -

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...18/#entry159225

 

or (more trivially) -

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...18/#entry150942

[Dakis]

Dear Charles C.

 

Thank you for the answer

 

In the end, I was right in some degree...

 

I expected to find something like that in general:

 

- Manual

- 6 Prerequisites by title (1,2,3... etc)

- 8 Standard Operating Procedures by title (1,2,3... etc)

- 5 job/work instructions by title (1,2,3... etc)

 

Isn't there any need for something like that in ISO22000:2018?

 

I worked for ten years in the food industry and we had that stuff in our ISO22000:2005. We also had them in IFS V6 Standard

 

But I want to start an ISO22000:2018 documentation from scratch, to write down again the Procedures, PRPs etc. Our consultant did that job in the beginning but now I am more aware of things related to food safety and I want to have an archive ready for inplementation. So, if anyone is in the mood to share his/her opinion what a documentation should be comprised of, I would be obliged if he could share it with me. It would be very helpful.

 

Thanks in advance

[olenazh]

Hi Dakis. I don't think this strict requirement exists: it all would depend on multiple factors like products you produce, processes & procedures, CCPs, etc. Why don't you keep the same number of PRPs/SOPs/work instructions as you did for ISO22000:2005? I'm with FSSC too, and I've never been asked by the auditors for the exact number of documents in my QA Manual. To tell you more: you can discontinue some or create new ones without being bound to a certain number.

[Charles.C]

Hi Dakis. I don't think this strict requirement exists: it all would depend on multiple factors like products you produce, processes & procedures, CCPs, etc. Why don't you keep the same number of PRPs/SOPs/work instructions as you did for ISO22000:2005? I'm with FSSC too, and I've never been asked by the auditors for the exact number of documents in my QA Manual. To tell you more: you can discontinue some or create new ones without being bound to a certain number.

 

Hi olena,

 

I agree yr comments but iso22000 on its own may be slightly different to within fssc22000 since use of the encyclopedic iso22002-1 for PRPs is afaik not compulsory for the former although "recommended".

 

@ Dakis - The first link I provided in Post 4 was an example of how many documents are "feasible" if one wishes to provide a comprehensive step-by-step solution starting from a basic level.

On the other hand, the 6 Prerequisite total mentioned in Post 5 looks rather underwhelming (cf Clause 8.2.4) unless some "combination schemes" exist. Perhaps some of the SOPs are also PRPs ?

 

 Perhaps you could post yr previous list of items, eg PRPs. Do you still want to avoid iso22002-1 ?

[Dakis]

No, in any way! The number "6" was totally an exemplification. Ok, I ll see them again, allthough the first example you sent seemed to be the ISO22000:2018 clauses. I saw nowhere for example some Standard Operating Procedures. Again, I might have not studied the links enough.

I want to thank you both for your answers.

Dakis