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[Ann_D]

Hi.  I've been the QC Manager for a produce company in Mexico for the past 7 years. I helped create our QC department from scratch (with some help from this forum, THANK YOU!) and successfully passed PRIMUSGFS audit for several years.  I would like to switch to the other side of the table.  

 

I would greatly appreciate any recommendations in terms of types of certifications (I already have HACCP), courses (currently looking at registering for https://www.dnv.us/t...training-103669), etc.?  And just general advice or tips. 

 

Thanks!

Ann

[kfromNE]

There has been many discussions about this same subject. If you search the forum, you should find them.

[SMM]

Hi,

 

I have a question, we are in food and we have a primary packaging (that touches the product) and the secondary packaging. The primary packaging in not traceable (any labeling from supplier), just the secondary packaging  is trackability. Like a cereal package, we sale always our product in primary and secondary package.

 

I need a regulation federal, or FDA, FSSC, HACCP, .... any regulation, any thing like this that occurred in the past that can help me to prove there is any problem if we will have a recall for our primary packaging. 

 

Can you help me please?   

[olenazh]

Hi SMM; Why is your primary packaging not traceable? Does your supplier have problems with providing lot #s to their batches OR it's kind of untraceable material (I would think of plastic sleeves or shrink wraps in rolls)? Are you with any particular GFSI scheme? Even if you are not, it's a common sense to have primary packaging traceable to simply save your money: because, in case of packaging-related recall you'll have to withdraw all batches of your products packed in that particular primary packaging. And it's a huge headache...

[SMM]

Thanks for your answer,

 

It's because of our supplier. The primary package is a plastic bag and the second packaging is a barrel. 

We sale always the product in primary and secondary packaging, together.

 

Then, there is not any hope?

 

Hi SMM; Why is your primary packaging not traceable? Does your supplier have problems with providing lot #s to their batches OR it's kind of untraceable material (I would think of plastic sleeves or shrink wraps in rolls)? Are you with any particular GFSI scheme? Even if you are not, it's a common sense to have primary packaging traceable to simply save your money: because, in case of packaging-related recall you'll have to withdraw all batches of your products packed in that particular primary packaging. And it's a huge headache...

[olenazh]

Is it the same supplier for both packaging materials? Yes, I understand that you sell your product in BIB (bag in barrel). OK, let me ask one of our suppliers (they also sell BIB, bag in box) how they handle this situation. If they give me any reply - I'll get back to you.

[kfromNE]

Thanks for your answer,

 

It's because of our supplier. The primary package is a plastic bag and the second packaging is a barrel. 

We sale always the product in primary and secondary packaging, together.

 

Then, there is not any hope?

Not even a lot number from the supplier?

[SMM]

Yes, the supplier of plastic bag and the barrel is the same, the plastic bag is in the barrel when we receive it.

Is it the same supplier for both packaging materials? Yes, I understand that you sell your product in BIB (bag in barrel). OK, let me ask one of our suppliers (they also sell BIB, bag in box) how they handle this situation. If they give me any reply - I'll get back to you.

[olenazh]

Yes, the supplier of plastic bag and the barrel is the same, the plastic bag is in the barrel when we receive it.

If they go together - then, it's the same lot # for both.

[SMM]

If they go together - then, it's the same lot # for both.

yes, but is our supplier have a problem with plastic bag, how we have to recall ?

We have to recall depend on lot number of barrel, it's ok?

If yes, I need to prove it by a regulation, ... to our auditor.

[olenazh]

I don't think there's any standard/legislative document regulating this matter. Let's see what other member will advise.

[HACCP Mentor]

Hi.  I've been the QC Manager for a produce company in Mexico for the past 7 years. I helped create our QC department from scratch (with some help from this forum, THANK YOU!) and successfully passed PRIMUSGFS audit for several years.  I would like to switch to the other side of the table.  

 

I would greatly appreciate any recommendations in terms of types of certifications (I already have HACCP), courses (currently looking at registering for https://www.dnv.us/t...training-103669), etc.?  And just general advice or tips. 

 

Thanks!

Ann

 

Hi Ann

 

I suggest looking at the requirements to become a 'certified auditor' as this will give a guide on what qualifications, training you need. Check out:

 

Exemplar Global:  https://exemplarglob...safety-auditor/

ASQ: https://asq.org/cert...nd deficiencies.

IRCA: https://www.quality.org/

 

Good luck!