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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:17 PM

Is there any regulation or regulatory restriction of using human derived protein products in food preparation? For example Human Serum Albumin. 



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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:19 PM

A) on an ethical level- um yep

 

B)  this one is best to reach directly to your regulating body and ask them

 

 

and C)----what kind of product are you wanting to put this into?


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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:21 PM

Are you talking about other than pharmacological uses?


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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:27 PM

Yes

Are you talking about other than pharmacological uses?



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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:28 PM

A) on an ethical level- um yep

 

B)  this one is best to reach directly to your regulating body and ask them

 

 

and C)----what kind of product are you wanting to put this into?

Protein derived from human, or recombinant protein of human origin.



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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:29 PM

um... what product?


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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:32 PM

um... what product?

Meat products.



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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:33 PM

For human consumption?


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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:38 PM

Soylent Green?


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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:39 PM

Thats exactly what I was thinking  :eek_yello:


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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:40 PM

For human consumption?

Yes!



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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:41 PM

Mazid... There will DEFINITELY need to be more information given on this one.

 

What product exactly... burger, steak, etc.?

Is it for human consumption?

Why is it being added?

Where are you sourcing it?

 

I have sooo many more questions.


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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:44 PM

Why not use rabbit, pork, lamb, beef or any other albumin rich source?

 

Where are you sourcing this from and where are you exporting to?


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Posted 17 February 2022 - 01:48 PM

Protein derived from human, or recombinant protein of human origin.

 

Which one of Scampi's question's are you answering here.  If you are answering question C then you are saying that you want to add Human Albumin Serum to protein derived from humans.... that is eating people.  So yes, there are regulatory restrictions against eating people.


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Posted 17 February 2022 - 02:05 PM

Which one of Scampi's question's are you answering here.  If you are answering question C then you are saying that you want to add Human Albumin Serum to protein derived from humans.... that is eating people.  So yes, there are regulatory restrictions against eating people.

HAHAHAHAHA    I was going to just reply originally that there are restrictions against cannibalisms, but I thought, no I must be missing something, nope my initial reaction was correct

 

OMG you cannot do this  NOR is this the place to be asking!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 17 February 2022 - 02:09 PM

Hi MazidM

I am pretty sure that you cannot use human hemoglobin in human food (or any food for that matter).
It would probably fall under the novel food legislation because I doubt we have had any significant intake of Human Albumin Serum before 1997.

 

What is even the added benefit of using Albumin serum of human origin?

I am both a little grossed out and intrigued .. :giggle:
 
 


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Posted 17 February 2022 - 02:29 PM

Hi MazidM

I am pretty sure that you cannot use human hemoglobin in human food (or any food for that matter).
It would probably fall under the novel food legislation because I doubt we have had any significant intake of Human Albumin Serum before 1997.

 

What is even the added benefit of using Albumin serum of human origin?

I am both a little grossed out and intrigued .. :giggle:
 
 

 

Hi MazidM

I am pretty sure that you cannot use human hemoglobin in human food (or any food for that matter).
It would probably fall under the novel food legislation because I doubt we have had any significant intake of Human Albumin Serum before 1997.

 

What is even the added benefit of using Albumin serum of human origin?

I am both a little grossed out and intrigued .. :giggle:
 
 

Hi Marloes, you got it right! We are still in RnD phase, indeed our food will be a Novel Food. But, I am just searching if there is any regulation of using human derived recombinant proteins in food preparation. However, it may not exactly be the Serum Albumin, but other materials that are currently available in Pharma industry. We assume that no residue will be present in the end product.



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Posted 17 February 2022 - 03:32 PM

***Spoiler Alert***

 

This reminds me of Andy Weir's novel "Project Hail Mary".  When Ryland manages to survive by eating "Meburgers", i.e. hamburgers made from his own protein.



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Posted 17 February 2022 - 04:29 PM

I've never heard of legislations regulating food made of human parts, and I doubt they exist. However, it doesn't mean there is no restrictions to using such unusual ingredients for food manufacture. Well, I'm just wondering who would like this kind of food. Is there a group of consumers specifically targeted for this project?



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Posted 17 February 2022 - 05:21 PM

While I hesitantly agree with Olenazh about there not being specific laws against cannibalism there are absolutely state by state laws that impact how a person would come about receiving a corpse and whether or not eating it would be desecration of a body, regardless of whether there is consent or not. 

 

While I see plenty of items being deemed "novel foods" by the EU, I have yet to see anything that relates to a human or human byproduct.  Anyone else is welcome to search and prove me wrong.

 

Novel Food Catalogue (europa.eu)

 

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Posted 17 February 2022 - 05:30 PM

While I hesitantly agree with Olenazh about there not being specific laws against cannibalism there are absolutely state by state laws that impact how a person would come about receiving a corpse and whether or not eating it would be desecration of a body, regardless of whether there is consent or not. 

 

While I see plenty of items being deemed "novel foods" by the EU, I have yet to see anything that relates to a human or human byproduct.  Anyone else is welcome to search and prove me wrong.

 

Novel Food Catalogue (europa.eu)

 

Cheers!

All names are in Latin - just curious, maybe human albumin serum is hidden somewhere there? Or, some other yummy human byproducts? My bright imagination gives me quite nasty pictures of those...



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Posted 17 February 2022 - 05:45 PM

All names are in Latin - just curious, maybe human albumin serum is hidden somewhere there? Or, some other yummy human byproducts? My bright imagination gives me quite nasty pictures of those...

 

Oh my god, stop!  :rofl2:


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Posted 17 February 2022 - 07:37 PM

While I hesitantly agree with Olenazh about there not being specific laws against cannibalism there are absolutely state by state laws that impact how a person would come about receiving a corpse and whether or not eating it would be desecration of a body, regardless of whether there is consent or not. 

 

While I see plenty of items being deemed "novel foods" by the EU, I have yet to see anything that relates to a human or human byproduct.  Anyone else is welcome to search and prove me wrong.

 

Novel Food Catalogue (europa.eu)

 

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The Novel Foods catalogue isn't exhaustive, and indeed isn't intended to be - it would be an insane undertaking to catalogue everything that doesn't have an established history of safe consumption in the EU prior to 1997.

It's more of a quick reference for commonly encountered examples, things that might be approved in food supplements but not in foods etc, as it would be an insane undertaking to try to catalogue every plant, animal, extract, chemical substance (including ones not yet invented) that doesn't have an established history of safe consumption in the EU prior to the 1997 cutoff deadline in the Novel Foods regs.

 

All names are in Latin - just curious, maybe human albumin serum is hidden somewhere there? Or, some other yummy human byproducts? My bright imagination gives me quite nasty pictures of those...

 

The use of binomial names (Latin is a dead language ;) ) is actually really helpful. There are various plants that share common names, and sometimes they may be several separate species in one genus, so knowing what actual species an entry concerns is genuinely useful. Alas that there isn't always taxonomical agreement on that either, but it's better than nothing.

Definitely didn't see an entry for Homo sapiens though, so clearly the EFSA staff that put it together hadn't envisaged regular queries about whether human flesh is "novel".

There is a formal process defined in the Novel Foods regulation for getting clarification from regulators as to whether a food is or is not considered novel. I'd almost pay to be a fly on the wall when the request dossier arrives with this particular species identification on it.

 

 

To the OP, I imagine this will be a uniquely challenging novel food application process for you. At least with (other) animal derivatives there are established limits on contaminants, veterinary drugs etc. Going to be a very interesting process trying to demonstrate that you're sourcing from "food grade" people.

 

I think I'm equal parts fascinated, and grateful that I'm a vegetarian :ejut:



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Posted 18 February 2022 - 01:43 PM

Isn't this how we came about mad cow disease - Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy?  Cows eating cows?  Scary stuff... 



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Posted 18 February 2022 - 01:50 PM

Food grade people! Let's sort them by grade - smokers aren't (which I'm glad as I am), drinkers - nah, who else? Vegetarians and athletes - are they food grade? Let's look at lifestyle from different angle!



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