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Posted 18 May 2004 - 10:51 PM

I recently started a new position to attain QMS certifications. My old employer has a simple documentation structure: Quality Manual, Procedures, Instructions, Forms. Now, this new system is looking to implement Quality Manual, Standard Operating Procedures, Departmental Procedures, Work Instructions, and Forms.

What is this Standard Operating Procedures stuff? It seems to me that I am writing a blurb in the QM, then expanding for the SOP, Further expanding it for the DP, and then getting down to nitty gritty for the WI. Isn't this overkill on the documentation?

Any interpretations here are welcome. Thanks in advance!



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Posted 19 May 2004 - 03:26 PM

SOP definition


An ancient Chinese proverb teaches that the person who waits for a roast duck to fly into their mouth must wait a very long time.

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Posted 19 May 2004 - 06:49 PM

So you also use 3 levels: Quality Manual, SOPs, and Reference Materials. Do you see any need for an interim level of procedures between the SOPs and the Reference Materials?

(By the way, the flow chart is upside down and backwards in the file.)



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Posted 20 May 2004 - 05:46 AM

So you also use 3 levels: Quality Manual, SOPs, and Reference Materials. Do you see any need for an interim level of procedures between the SOPs and the Reference Materials?

Hi mitsu11,

actually I don't use SOP level. It was just a Web example of SOPs.

I used SOP in a pharma company, drug manufacturing.

SOPs are mandatory in pharma, as long as GMP and GLP, process validation and some other stuff.

You HAVE to comply and you must call them SOP. Personally I don't think the name you give to these documents is essential, I'm more interested in their purpose.

I've never heard of SOP in a food or food-related company, but it's only my best knowledge.

The documentation pyramid should be appropriate for the purpose, hence I believe no one better than you knows if the interim level fits or not.

Regards. Franco

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Posted 22 May 2004 - 01:58 PM

After a long time I am here to participate on Post.
SOP what we generally refer to Standard Operating Procedure. I have my own doubt on it. Why do you need SOP? I think an operator who works on process or on machine day in day out understands better than any body How To Operate .Second if aim of SOP is for training to new entrant or joinee, SOP should be placed in Training Room or in offices or in session rooms and not on the machines. Yes, if SOP contain TROUBLE SHOOTING TIPS , It should be posted on or near the point of use. Please clarify



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Posted 26 May 2004 - 03:11 PM

Actually, they want to use the SOP as a high level document, giving an overall explanation of the "Management Responsibility", or "Document and Data Control". I think the purpose is for the auditors, but it seems like more work than is really necessary.

The documents you mention would fall under work instructions in this system. Those I absolutely understand needing in certain areas, but not torturing the good workers with a needless document. I try to make them "own" the document, so that they can see the benefit in its existence.



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Posted 22 April 2005 - 10:53 AM

What is this Standard Operating Procedures stuff ?
Any interpretations here are welcome.


An example from USDA USDA sanitation standard operating procedure

Rgds. Franco

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