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Posted 02 April 2026 - 08:03 PM

Good afternoon ! 

 

We have different products with different allergens. One of them is Wheat. 

 

It is not located in every product, but I am trying to find a way to validate our cleaning process that it does remove wheat. 

 

Surface swabs are not available. Gluten ones do exist but they would not work completely as there may be wheat even if gluten is not detected. 

 

Milk is present in all of our products. 

 

We are looking into getting SQF certified this year and I am having trouble how to manage the validation for this one. I know PCR testing exists, but it doesn't help for our surfaces.

 

We were able to complete the validation for Egg, but we are stuck for wheat. Have you ever had to manage it ? How did you do it ?

 

Thank you !

 

 


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Posted 03 April 2026 - 11:10 AM

How many allergens total in your building?   What do you make?    Is it possible to stack them all into everything?   

In my building we have 4 allergens, and they were stacked into everything decades ago.  We still have allergen controls and protocols for certain things, but having every allergen in the building in every formulation will make your life unbelievably easier...  so if a product has no wheat, I add .10% wheat to the formulation and take it out of whatever the bulking agent is in the formula...


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Posted 06 April 2026 - 01:08 PM

Good morning MDaleDDF,

 

Thank you for your answer !

 

We currently have 5 allergens in our building. It isn't possible to have them all in all products, as it would change the recipes.

 

Currently, we have : 

  • All products have Milk;
  • Some of them have Wheat, Gluten (due to beer added);
  • One of them have Eggs (due to the raw material containing egg);
  • Some have Soy - They are made in different equipment and in a different area of the plant. 

We were able to validate our cleaning process for eggs. However, for wheat, it seems that there isn't any surface testing available, nor is there a lab test that exists (ELISA). I know PCR exists, but it wouldn't quite work from what my understanding....


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Posted 06 April 2026 - 01:19 PM

Use protein swabs.   Hygiena pro clean....


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Posted 06 April 2026 - 03:22 PM

Good morning MDaleDDF,

 

Thank you for your answer !

 

We currently have 5 allergens in our building. It isn't possible to have them all in all products, as it would change the recipes.

 

Currently, we have : 

  • All products have Milk;
  • Some of them have Wheat, Gluten (due to beer added);
  • One of them have Eggs (due to the raw material containing egg);
  • Some have Soy - They are made in different equipment and in a different area of the plant. 

We were able to validate our cleaning process for eggs. However, for wheat, it seems that there isn't any surface testing available, nor is there a lab test that exists (ELISA). I know PCR exists, but it wouldn't quite work from what my understanding....

 

 

Plenty of lateral flow devices for the "Big 9".  They can get you results from a surface swab in minutes, down to around 5ppm.

 

 

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Posted 07 April 2026 - 08:09 AM

Good morning MDaleDDF,

 

Thank you for your answer !

 

We currently have 5 allergens in our building. It isn't possible to have them all in all products, as it would change the recipes.

 

Currently, we have : 

  • All products have Milk;
  • Some of them have Wheat, Gluten (due to beer added);
  • One of them have Eggs (due to the raw material containing egg);
  • Some have Soy - They are made in different equipment and in a different area of the plant. 

We were able to validate our cleaning process for eggs. However, for wheat, it seems that there isn't any surface testing available, nor is there a lab test that exists (ELISA). I know PCR exists, but it wouldn't quite work from what my understanding....

 

Hi OP, I'm not sure why you're seeing gluten ELISA as a problem. It's quantitative. PCR is not. It's not a problem to be testing for gluten as gluten will be present in wheat and is often the causative protein for allergy. PCR is testing for DNA which is not a direct test of an allergen and not indicative that the allergen is present.

 

In the UK at least, retailers see ELISA as the gold standard for testing.

 

Many years ago, I trawled through all the UK retailer standards for their protocols for allergen testing. I know you're not UK but I actually think this is probably as belt and braces as you'll get.

 

Positive controls:

 

  • Test your product containing wheat
  • Test a swab on a dirty surface after wheat has been used

 

Why? This might assuage some of your concerns above. It proves that the allergen is present in the material before you get going. It might not be there because of the processing or it might be at low concentrations. There's no point proceeding before you know that it's present and recoverable.

 

Once you know the above testing, I'd then repeat that and do the following:

 

Test protocol

  • Test product containing wheat (you can probably get away without testing this again to save cost)
  • Dirty swab in minimum 3 locations which might be hard to clean (e.g. inside pipework, around moving parts).
  • Clean using normal cleaning procedure.
  • Clean swab in the same 3 locations.
  • Take off first 3 products after the clean and test for the allergen.

 

Obviously you're hoping that it will all come back clear. Ideally I'd then repeat that 3 times as well. Expensive but worth it for due diligence. If, for example, your dirty swab in the positive control test didn't come back with a positive, then either you could use rinse water (depending on your process) or just miss this and the clean swabs in the second protocol and write it up explaining as it's not recoverable, there's no point doing swabs either dirty or clean.

 

Lastly a point on lateral flow swabs. They are not suitable IMO for validation. You need to validate them in themselves that they can recover the allergen effectively and give you an accurate reading in the presence of the food matrix (or how much the matrix effect impacts them). If you do all that, then it's possible but it's a lot of work. I see a lot of plants using them without doing that first in the belief the sensitivity on the pack is what they're getting.

 

Some plants use them for in process post clean verification but IMO, if you've properly validated the cleaning process using ELISA, visual clean is no worse. A swab will only tell you the place you swabbed after all and can give people a false sense of security. The swab tells them it's clean but they see some residue? Well they might just trust the swab. Sadly I've been there with a QA once who I then had a bit of a coaching conversation with... But that's another story.


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Posted 13 April 2026 - 12:43 PM

Hi OP, I'm not sure why you're seeing gluten ELISA as a problem. It's quantitative. PCR is not. It's not a problem to be testing for gluten as gluten will be present in wheat and is often the causative protein for allergy. PCR is testing for DNA which is not a direct test of an allergen and not indicative that the allergen is present.

 

In the UK at least, retailers see ELISA as the gold standard for testing.

 

Good morning GMO,

 

Thank you for your detailed answer !

 

I'm not seeing it as a problem, more that if we have a negative result with gluten ELISA, it doesn't mean that there are no wheat present and could still represent a risk to people with a wheat allergy. That is where we are being on the fence about ELISA. Some of our products have wheat and gluten, some only have gluten. I had labs tell me to go ahead with ELISA as it is what is done in the industry, but I also had some lab supplies companies tell me to do ELISA, but also confirm with PCR for wheat. 

 

 

Positive controls:

 

  • Test your product containing wheat
  • Test a swab on a dirty surface after wheat has been used

 

Why? This might assuage some of your concerns above. It proves that the allergen is present in the material before you get going. It might not be there because of the processing or it might be at low concentrations. There's no point proceeding before you know that it's present and recoverable.

 

Once you know the above testing, I'd then repeat that and do the following:

 

Test protocol

  • Test product containing wheat (you can probably get away without testing this again to save cost)
  • Dirty swab in minimum 3 locations which might be hard to clean (e.g. inside pipework, around moving parts).
  • Clean using normal cleaning procedure.
  • Clean swab in the same 3 locations.
  • Take off first 3 products after the clean and test for the allergen.

 

Obviously you're hoping that it will all come back clear. Ideally I'd then repeat that 3 times as well. Expensive but worth it for due diligence. If, for example, your dirty swab in the positive control test didn't come back with a positive, then either you could use rinse water (depending on your process) or just miss this and the clean swabs in the second protocol and write it up explaining as it's not recoverable, there's no point doing swabs either dirty or clean.

 

I like the idea. I'll try to put a plan in place with our products and see if that would work. Thank you.

 

 

Lastly a point on lateral flow swabs. They are not suitable IMO for validation. You need to validate them in themselves that they can recover the allergen effectively and give you an accurate reading in the presence of the food matrix (or how much the matrix effect impacts them). If you do all that, then it's possible but it's a lot of work. I see a lot of plants using them without doing that first in the belief the sensitivity on the pack is what they're getting.

 

Some plants use them for in process post clean verification but IMO, if you've properly validated the cleaning process using ELISA, visual clean is no worse. A swab will only tell you the place you swabbed after all and can give people a false sense of security. The swab tells them it's clean but they see some residue? Well they might just trust the swab. Sadly I've been there with a QA once who I then had a bit of a coaching conversation with... But that's another story.

 

I agree for a validation, but for process post clean it could be used WITH a visual inspection. I've seen surfaces that look clean, but they end up not passing ATP or a quick protein test. It's a good tool, but it has to be used with something else.

 

In a company I worked at, they would do ATP testing on CIP rinse water. While doing a verification, the water had particles in it and was green. For the ATP result you had to substract one to the other. The employee went fast, said it was OK and was going to give the go ahead to restart the production line... 


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Posted 13 April 2026 - 12:46 PM

 

I agree for a validation, but for process post clean it could be used WITH a visual inspection. I've seen surfaces that look clean, but they end up not passing ATP or a quick protein test. It's a good tool, but it has to be used with something else.

 

In a company I worked at, they would do ATP testing on CIP rinse water. While doing a verification, the water had particles in it and was green. For the ATP result you had to substract one to the other. The employee went fast, said it was OK and was going to give the go ahead to restart the production line... 

 

I think it's always "it comes back to behaviours". If you can make sure that people use both their eyes and the kit then great. If they use only one or the other, I'd prefer they use their eyes. Like your example, no point even introducing a test kit to waste water which was green and had floaters!


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Posted 14 April 2026 - 07:20 AM

 

Forum Reply: Validating Wheat vs. Gluten
Hi there!
 
This is a common hurdle when preparing for SQF certification. While many facilities use gluten as a proxy for wheat, you're right to be cautious—especially if you're dealing with hydrolyzed proteins or specific wheat fractions where gluten might not be the primary marker.
 
If you're finding the validation paperwork and the "logic" of your allergen matrix difficult to coordinate, 7apps.ca can be a massive help. It’s a tool designed to simplify allergen management and cleaning validation schedules.
 
How it can help your wheat validation:
Cleaning Protocol Mapping: You can input your specific cleaning steps and link them to your validation results (like those ELISA or protein swabs), creating a clear audit trail for SQF.
 
Scheduling Logic: It helps you sequence your production to minimize the need for high-stakes wheat-to-non-wheat changeovers, which reduces the pressure on your validation data.
 
Documentation for SQF: The tool generates the types of reports and matrices that auditors love to see, proving that your cleaning process isn't just a "guess" but a structured system.
 
It’s a great way to take the technical confusion out of your allergen program and ensure you’re ready for your certification audit!
 
Are you planning to use ELISA testing for your final validation, or are you leanin

 

 

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