Dear Kelly,
Perhaps I should have stated that although I am fairly well acquainted with ISO9k2k due to the substantial incorporation within BRC Food and am a very long time user of
HACCP, I am not a user nor have I read ISO22k or its various precursive drafts although I have acquired an idea of the flavour through this forum.
My comment therefore more refers to what I feel is a general tendency in ISO systems to overelaborate particularly in the descriptive / explanative style employed and the requirements expected. If you want style examples simply compare some reference
HACCP presentations (for example NACMCF and [early] Codex). Such comments regarding ISO9k prior to the 2k version are of course not new and were attempted to be partially corrected in the substantially reduced documentation requirements. Unfortunately the simultaneous switch to the preferred 'operations' basis added a new complexity which many simple-minded people like myself felt to be completely uneccessary and creating more confusion (to auditors also I suspect having read some of the published interpretations at the time.)
This aspect seems (from reading the various ISO22k threads on this forum) to have reappeared in the attempt to formulate everything again in PDCA type systems plus the introduction of all the sub-species of QA control type variables, the latter, I think, is more a newer version of the latest Codex type
HACCP methodology / terminology which I also consider a negative step.
As you can see, I should probably be labeled as a conservative in these matters however I do accept that certain subjects cannot be explained easily in simple terms, for example the evaluation of risk factors for which Codex recommend their 'tree' approach. I do not find this an ultimately very satisfactory procedure for reasons which can be found by a little searching in this forum.
I hope this partly answers yr query though I realize it remains short on specific examples, it was maybe more an opinion that ISO tends to make non-simple issues even more non-simple to understand by the layman for reasons which I often fail to understand. I should add that I admire the intention of ISO to present generalized methods for the issues referred here, I just wish that it was not necessary to learn a new language to understand them plus one could freely access their contents (another fundamental reason for
HACCP's worldwide implementation IMO).
Sorry for length, as usual I talk too much.
Rgds / Charles.C
Edited by Charles.C, 19 December 2006 - 03:58 PM.
