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[downtown]

I hereunto would like to mention my "wish-list" in ISO 22000 for this purpose:
1- A process based standard (7.1-Planning, 7.2-Customer related processes, 7.3- Design and development 7.4 raw material and packaging material acquisition, 7.5-processing, -storage, handling and delivery etc. should constitute the structure of Requirement 7)
2- Inclusion of hazard analysis and preliminary steps as 7.1.x Preliminary steps.., 7.1.y Hazard Analysis
3- Indication of prerequisite programs related to infrastructure and work environment at their real places (6.3 Infrastructure and 6.4 work environment) and a small referencing element 7.1.x Prequisite programs addressing to those elements.

I will update this list as I rememmber other facts.

Would you help me to build a big list together. Of course we can discuss.

Regards.

Kara

[Simon]

I hereunto would like to mention my "wish-list" in ISO 22000 for this purpose:
1- A process based standard (7.1-Planning, 7.2-Customer related processes, 7.3- Design and development 7.4 raw material and packaging material acquisition, 7.5-processing, -storage, handling and delivery etc. should constitute the structure of Requirement 7)
2- Inclusion of hazard analysis and preliminary steps as 7.1.x Preliminary steps.., 7.1.y Hazard Analysis
3- Indication of prerequisite programs related to infrastructure and work environment at their real places (6.3 Infrastructure and 6.4 work environment) and a small referencing element 7.1.x Prequisite programs addressing to those elements.

I will update this list as I rememmber other facts.

Would you help me to build a big list together. Of course we can discuss.

Regards.

Kara

Hello Kara, My wish would be to see some more members discussing ISO 22000 with you.

[Erasmo]

I hereunto would like to mention my "wish-list" in ISO 22000 for this purpose:
1- A process based standard (7.1-Planning, 7.2-Customer related processes, 7.3- Design and development 7.4 raw material and packaging material acquisition, 7.5-processing, -storage, handling and delivery etc. should constitute the structure of Requirement 7)
2- Inclusion of hazard analysis and preliminary steps as 7.1.x Preliminary steps.., 7.1.y Hazard Analysis
3- Indication of prerequisite programs related to infrastructure and work environment at their real places (6.3 Infrastructure and 6.4 work environment) and a small referencing element 7.1.x Prequisite programs addressing to those elements.

I will update this list as I rememmber other facts.

Would you help me to build a big list together. Of course we can discuss.

Regards.

Kara

Hi Kara,
I think you will find really useful Guide ISO-15161 and PAS 99:2006.
1.- there is an annex in PAS99 for all the common elements in ISO 9001 and 22000
2.- PAS 99 includes risk management that is related to the Hazard analysis
3.- IN ISO-15161 the PRP's are linked to 6.3 and 6.4

Saludos!

[Zeeshan]

Noticed this very old thread some days ago........very interesting topic that probably missed by many brilliant minds. .

I have a "long" wish list for an ideal "quality and food safety management system". While I was working on BRC global standard for food safety, I dreamed to have an integrated management system like this......  Contents of new IMS.doc   39.5KB   68 downloads

I wish to have one strongly-integrated system, for quality and food safety, in future that would be based on PDCA and process approach.

Regards:
Zeeshan

[Rex]

Noticed this very old thread some days ago........very interesting topic that probably missed by many brilliant minds. .

I have a "long" wish list for an ideal "quality and food safety management system". While I was working on BRC global standard for food safety, I dreamed to have an integrated management system like this......  Contents of new IMS.doc   39.5KB   68 downloads

I wish to have one strongly-integrated system, for quality and food safety, in future that would be based on PDCA and process approach.

Regards:
Zeeshan

Dear Zeeshan

I'm very admiring that the attached document written by you, though there lacks of some aspects, for example, Control of materials, Pest control etc. you are an expert.
ISO22000 is difficult to understanding, espcially verification and validation.
expect more communication!

Best Regards
Rex

[Tony-C]

Dear Zeeshan

I'm very admiring that the attached document written by you, though there lacks of some aspects, for example, Control of materials, Pest control etc. you are an expert.
ISO22000 is difficult to understanding, espcially verification and validation.
expect more communication!

Best Regards
Rex

I don't see too much lacking, isn't control of materials covered here:

2.1 Describe the product and production processes
2.1.1 Raw materials, ingredients and product-contact materials specifications
2.1.2 End product specifications
2.1.3 Intended use
2.1.4 Process steps and process flow diagrams
2.1.5 Verification of flow diagrams
2.1.6 Process descriptions and process control parameters
2.2 Requirements related to specific materials
2.2.1 Identification of Specific Materials
2.2.2 Allergens Containing and Identity Preserved Materials

And Pest control here:

3.5.1.13 Pest control

The only thing I can't see is where environment and location are covered

Regards,

Tony

Edited by Tony-C, 14 April 2010 - 04:02 AM.

[Zeeshan]

Dear Rex and Tony, thanks for compliments.

The only thing I can't see is where environment and location are covered

I intend to cover environment and location mainly under following clauses:

3.5.1.1 External site standards, construction and layout of buildings, premises and workspace

3.5.1.6 Building fabric and infrastructure

3.5.1.11 Cleaning, sanitation and housekeeping

Although, IMO, if we consider all the clauses minutely, many other clauses could also be linked with "environment" like (1.10.3) )work environment and many clauses under 3.5.1 (Determine the applicable GMP’s ) such as (3.5.1.4) .Security etc.

Regards:

Zeeshan.

[Rex]

Dear Rex and Tony, thanks for compliments.



I intend to cover environment and location mainly under following clauses:

3.5.1.1 External site standards, construction and layout of buildings, premises and workspace

3.5.1.6 Building fabric and infrastructure

3.5.1.11 Cleaning, sanitation and housekeeping

Although, IMO, if we consider all the clauses minutely, many other clauses could also be linked with "environment" like (1.10.3) )work environment and many clauses under 3.5.1 (Determine the applicable GMP’s ) such as (3.5.1.4) .Security etc.

Regards:

Zeeshan.

Dear Zeeshan

Are there more details about each clause?

5.0 verification

5.1 Individual verification activities...

Which items shall be verificated ? HACCP? GMP? Product& process control?


Best Regards

Rex

[Zeeshan]

Dear Rex,
Seeing the interest of yours and our expert guy Tony, I really wish that my wish-list would be adopted by ISO..

Dear Zeeshan

Are there more details about each clause?

5.0 verification

5.1 Individual verification activities...

Which items shall be verificated ? HACCP? GMP? Product& process control?

Best Regards

Rex

I intend to cover clause no. 8.4.2 of ISO 22000 under 5.1. For more detail please see following link too.

http://www.ifsqn.com...dpost__p__35659

Regards:
Zeeshan