Dear All,
Felt a bit guilty over demeaning an important thread so although not a user of I22k, I borrowed a closing line from Charlorne's post in a parallel thread, namely -
'Cheers .. as you likely noticed .. I like to keep it "Simple"'
Not quite sure if this was ironic however I totally agree regarding the objective of keeping it 'Simple'.
It's slightly off-topic but I would add that it would also IMO be nice to see demonstrated that an implemented FS system has actually achieved safer food. (I accept there is a value in conceptual things, eg HACCP has driven people away fron end testing and codified ways of thinking about FS but where are the operational numbers ?)
For many people I believe 'simple' translates to 'content presented in an easily understood way'. The 'easily validatable > implementable > monitorable > verifiable etc' are a necessary postquel.
IMO HACCP, with a very few exceptions, has not yet passed the 'simple' requirement and I haven't seen anything specific about the second item above (the current US project on meat processing will possibly be one example).
Getting back onto 'simple', I browsed through some ISO22k threads and picked some examples -
'I agree with you, I was trying to give a simple example, I guess nothing is simple with Food safety. (JG)
Thats probably the reason why we find dealing with food safety so exciting because of its dynamic nature. Different angle of opinions can prevail and really, there is no single correct answer to every thing in FSMS. All that is really needed is proof of control evidence.............and that, means everyone may be corect in their own rights! (CC)
ISO22000 = the 8 principles of qms + the 12 steps of codex (HACCP) + PRPs + OPRPs + customer requirements + regulatory requirements + religious requirements (if this applied) + data validation + data verification + system review + re-validation + improvement + updating + ++ etc etc. (WA)
My approach to ISO 22000 is Quality Management Achievement + Process Achievement + Product Achievement + Facility Design Achievment + Data Verification + Data Validation + Input Review + System Upgrade Review / Updating ++++ = Composite Food Safety Management System.
The above is a composition of many combined FS resources and measures but are not shown in details however each core FS component has its own FS sub-components which will often work in unison. (CC)
Maybe you know, I wrote a booklet about 22K. there we have a statement from a german auditor who is leading in training and decision groups in germany. He said it will be very much easier to audit instead of IFS or BRC because 22K looks for the effects of all measures together and it is not important whether you define a measure PRP OPRP or something else. The most important is validation! If you can show effectiveness, I think you will not have a problem! (WI)
Simply implementing a new standard like ISO22k does not make products safer, only people can make safer products.
I choose to stay with a standard that is fully understood by my people and educate them in adding new elements to the management system. These elements can come from new standards like ISO22k, legislation, experiences elsewhere, or anything else. (OK)
PRP - related to the infrastructure (inculding human resources) and maintenance programes.
oPRP - Implemented to specifically control and monitor the potential biological, chemical and physical hazards (personnel hygiene, sanitation, disinfection). (JG)
The PRP's are not selected for the purpose of controlling a specific identified hazard, but for the purpose of maintaining a general hygienic production, processing and handling environment and may still have an effect on the end product safety if not included in the food safety system.
Operational prerequisites are those that are in place to directly manage or control measures that the hazard analysis has identified as necessary to control to acceptable levels and are not otherwise management by the HACCP plan. (CL)'
It seems to me 22k has a long way to go to get near 'simple' . It's unreasonable to expect FS evidence as yet I guess.
Rgds / Charles.C
Edited by Charles.C, 13 September 2006 - 07:36 AM.