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Posted 18 March 2015 - 09:37 PM

Hello,

 

I am new in this forum

I just start to work to obtain the SQF label for my company

 have a question about the chapter 11.2.7.3

 

The said that the external doors in food handling areas must be adequate fly-proofed

 

What if all the external doors in the company where I work are not directly in the food handling area ?

 

We have to chose a least one the following methods:

- self-closing device

-effective air curtain

- fly-proof screen

-fly-proof annex

 

For fly-proofed annex, do you know if a simple trap for insect is enough ?

We have three external doors, just one have an air-curtain, and one of the three is always closed (exit door)

Do I have to add an air-curtain on the other door ? Or the trap for the insect is good ?

 

 

And we have three roll-up door (one always closed too)

 

And we have nothing but the insect trap for these doors.

Do I have to add a fly-proofed, or the insect trap is enough?

 

 

 

 

Thank you in advance for your answer!!

 

Anaelle

 



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Posted 19 March 2015 - 03:40 AM

Hello,

 

I am new in this forum

I just start to work to obtain the SQF label for my company

 have a question about the chapter 11.2.7.3

 

The said that the external doors in food handling areas must be adequate fly-proofed

 

What if all the external doors in the company where I work are not directly in the food handling area ?

 

We have to chose a least one the following methods:

- self-closing device

-effective air curtain

- fly-proof screen

-fly-proof annex

 

For fly-proofed annex, do you know if a simple trap for insect is enough ?

We have three external doors, just one have an air-curtain, and one of the three is always closed (exit door)

Do I have to add an air-curtain on the other door ? Or the trap for the insect is good ?

 

And we have three roll-up door (one always closed too)

 

And we have nothing but the insect trap for these doors.

Do I have to add a fly-proofed, or the insect trap is enough?

 

Thank you in advance for your answer!!

 

Anaelle

 

Hi anaelle !

 

Thanks for yr query and Welcome to the Forum !

 

Not myself a user of SQF but can make some logical starters.

 

(A) The generic answer to all yr questions relates to  (1)Risk Assesssment, (2)RiskControl, (3)Risk Management,(4)Validation/Verification, all within the context of the particular clause of the Standard.

 

(B) Note that items (1-4) may relate to your Product/ Process, for example RTE items typically have stricter interpretations/expectations than products/production areas considered to be of Low Risk, but again within the context of the Code itself and © below.

 

© Some typical priority aspects could be (a) Specific requirements by the Code (eg "must","shall"), (b) Specific local Regulatory requirements, © web-site stated interpretations of the the Code,(d) Specific Interpretations of the Code by a particular Auditor. Note that (b) usually over-rides (a), © should be controlled within auditor "consistency" requirements but may occasionally occur and is, I believe, provided for in the standard from an auditees POV.

 

Not sure if you are aware that SQF provides a Guidelines Manual giving "suggested" responses to the Code's requirements.

 

AFAI can see, the response for yr segment is -

 

Compliance to this requirement shall be reviewed at each facility audit primarily through observation, and records of pest activity (refer 11.2.11).  Evidence may include:

•      Windows are closed or protected and sealed against dust or pests;

•      Doors are closed or adequately protected against dust or pests;

•      Personnel doors have self-closing devices or other method to ensure effective protection;

•      External doors are adequately fly-proofed;

•      Sealing around trucks in docking areas is adequate;

•      Insect devices are located so as not to pose a threat to product, tools or equipment;

•     Poison baits or glue boards are not used in processing areas

 

 

The above relates to (1-4) above.

 

More detailed info. regarding yr first query may be helpful, eg wrt  (B)

 

I anticipate that the results/trends of your monitoring data will probably determine adequate compliance within the context / your conformance of the general requirements stated above and factors such as (abcd) above.

 

I daresay other SQF users will have further comments based on their auditorial experiences.

 

Thanks / Charles.C

 

PS - 1 standard caveat - It must be remembered that the Guidance suggestions are non-binding to SQF. Hence the "suggestions".

 

PPS - afaik, the SQF Code has no mention of "direct". i suggest you act accordingly.


Kind Regards,

 

Charles.C


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 04:45 PM

Thank you for your answer Charles

 

Do you think this is good for a "fly-proofer screen" ? (I attached a picture)

 

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 04:47 PM

It is not in my company, but I think it could a good and cheap solution to use the vinyle for the fly-proofed screen!



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Posted 19 March 2015 - 04:55 PM

It is not in my company, but I think it could a good and cheap solution to use the vinyle for the fly-proofed screen!

 

Perhaps an additional door would increase the fly-proofing capability.

 

Thanks / Charles.C


Kind Regards,

 

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 05:16 PM

Does it go right to the floor anaelle? What you need to assess is whether there is any means of entry for a fly.... however small. Do you have electronic Fly killers within the facility? These can go a long way to controlling adventurous flies that make it past the main barriers, also having positive air pressure within a high risk area is a means of fly control, though a bit more expensive. 

 

Has your Company got a contract with a pest controller because they are the experts in this field. Maybe get an audit with a service provider would give you good insght to what you need. 

 

A rule of thumb I use on audits is being able to see daylight around or under doors.

 

Hope this helps


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 06:21 PM

Thank you trubertq!

 

I have a contract with a company who come in our company every 2 weeks

But it's just for the pest control, not for the fly proofed. Next time they come I will ask them

And yes I have electronics Fly killer at each entrance but I think it is not enough to obtain SQF

 

 

 

Anaelle



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Posted 19 March 2015 - 09:35 PM

Ask them to do a survey for you... bat your eyelashes at them...  :shades:


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 09:46 PM

As a matter of interest what do your fly killers catch...a lot?

 

Do any flies get through?

 

Any flies on product or customer complaints?


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 03:55 PM

Hello Simon,

 

No my fly killer catch don't kill a lot because the doors are closed as many as possible

But for SQF, we need to look for all the details.... And this is a important details I think





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