Can product collected on a tray on the floor be reworked?
Hi all,
I would like ask, if the product collect on the tray which on the floor , is it can be reworked?
Doesn't sound overly encouraging, as "product" and "floor" are rarely a good combination ;)
Nonetheless if you can advise exactly what the product is, is it packed/loose, raw/cooked, what exactly is it falling onto, is this tray directly on the floor etc then people may be able to give a clearer answer for you.
Doesn't sound overly encouraging, as "product" and "floor" are rarely a good combination ;)
Nonetheless if you can advise exactly what the product is, is it packed/loose, raw/cooked, what exactly is it falling onto, is this tray directly on the floor etc then people may be able to give a clearer answer for you.
Agreed. We'd need to know more about your process. What is the product?
Is the container food safe and clean? Is the container off the floor and how often is it checked? Who checks and can they determine whether or not this is still OK to use?
Doesn't sound overly encouraging, as "product" and "floor" are rarely a good combination ;)
Nonetheless if you can advise exactly what the product is, is it packed/loose, raw/cooked, what exactly is it falling onto, is this tray directly on the floor etc then people may be able to give a clearer answer for you.
It's not on the floor directly. The product is tortilla, some of the dough pieces falls from the transferring machine. And there no adjustment can be made on the machine due to design, hence the dough collected in the tray off from the floor about 11cm.
What is the product? Why was it on the floor?
Agreed. We'd need to know more about your process. What is the product?
Is the container food safe and clean? Is the container off the floor and how often is it checked? Who checks and can they determine whether or not this is still OK to use?
It's not on the floor directly. The product is tortilla, some of the dough pieces falls from the transferring machine. And there no adjustment can be made on the machine due to design, hence the dough collected in the tray off from the floor about 11cm. The container used to collect these dough are food safe container and clean one. There is like every 2 hours the collection tray checked by the production operator before rework. However, as current practices the dough treated as reject dough however, the dough still in good condition.
It's not on the floor directly. The product is tortilla, some of the dough pieces falls from the transferring machine. And there no adjustment can be made on the machine due to design, hence the dough collected in the tray off from the floor about 11cm.
You say dough pieces, so that means it still has not been baked into tortilla? If the tray is a food contact surface that gets cleaned and sanitized properly and it is not "directly" on the floor as you say, Is there a chance where it may touch the floor? 11 cm is not much..
What is the product? Why was it on the floor?
What is the product? Why was it on the floor?
It is tortilla product. Due to machine design, the cut dough fall from the transferring machine from the gap between the conveyor
It's not on the floor directly. The product is tortilla, some of the dough pieces falls from the transferring machine. And there no adjustment can be made on the machine due to design, hence the dough collected in the tray off from the floor about 11cm. The container used to collect these dough are food safe container and clean one. There is like every 2 hours the collection tray checked by the production operator before rework. However, as current practices the dough treated as reject dough however, the dough still in good condition.
Ok, so overall it's sounding like the risk isn't as significant as first appeared, but personally I'd be inclined to look at a couple of things:
1) Can the collection tray be moved higher, perhaps to sit a few centimetres under the machine/belt/area from which the dough is falling? May not have a huge bearing on the actual risk to the product although can't hurt to raise it further away from the floor, and in terms of customer/auditor/staff perception I feel like this could make a positive difference, based on your description.
2) It's probably already in place, but I'd have a very clearly defined frequency to empty and clean the collection container(s) based on the actual impact it has on the safety/quality of the dough - again the actual risk may be low, but this would codify that and present it as a controlled way to minimise wastage and operate efficiently, and dispel some of the potential for it to be misconstrued as floor sweepings (which several of us may have done here initially :ejut: )
Ok, so overall it's sounding like the risk isn't as significant as first appeared, but personally I'd be inclined to look at a couple of things:
1) Can the collection tray be moved higher, perhaps to sit a few centimetres under the machine/belt/area from which the dough is falling? May not have a huge bearing on the actual risk to the product although can't hurt to raise it further away from the floor, and in terms of customer/auditor/staff perception I feel like this could make a positive difference, based on your description.
2) It's probably already in place, but I'd have a very clearly defined frequency to empty and clean the collection container(s) based on the actual impact it has on the safety/quality of the dough - again the actual risk may be low, but this would codify that and present it as a controlled way to minimise wastage and operate efficiently, and dispel some of the potential for it to be misconstrued as floor sweepings (which several of us may have done here initially :ejut: )
1) We could not move higher due to machine, hence the tray only able to placed about 11cm off from the floor. The machine conveyor look like IP proofing chute. So, its goes down when it is transferring to another conveyor.
2) We planning to collected the dough every 1 hours to avoid the dough been there for long and cleaning activity will done for every changeover the product.
Thank you so much for the explanation, it really would help