ISO 22000 Vs Particular Protocols

Hey you Experts
¿What will happen with particular safety protocols next year?

Not experts on ISO 22000 yet.

From what I've read and heard so far ISO 22000 will require the implementation of relevant industry GMP's and Standards as prerequisite measures. So standards such as BRC, IFS etc. will still be necessary to specify the detailed 'industry specific' requirements. ISO 22000 would have to be thicker than Tolstoy's 'War and Peace' if it was to specify all of the HACCP requirements from farm to fork.

Regards,
Simon

Driving by left, measuring by Oz., paying by pound,... someone really think that Britishs will put out BRC?

Jose, are you implying that we are stupid?

Regards,
Simon

No Simon, I mean that when British start to do something in a well defined way, you die doing things in that way.

Paying with a different coin, drive by left,...is different but not imply any mental disease.

And... what´s about Zinedine Zidane?

Regards

And... what´s about Zinedine Zidane?

I have feelings you know Jose.

Driving by left, measuring by Oz., paying by pound,... someone really think that Britishs will put out BRC?

I doubt they will because BRC and related are customer-driven standards The customers won't let THEIR standards die off

I am currently staring at the FDIS 22000 and is building the skeletal structure of ISO 22K QMS, PRP Manual, HACCP Plan Manual and the Operational PRP Manual.

Almost completed and at this stage, my opinion is that BRC-Food Std is much more organized and clearly to the point while the FDIS 22K is some what unclear in most areas which I fear is opened up to wide interpretations again. It has achieved its objective of making it "generic" but IMO at the expense of clarity.

The fact that ISO 22K is trying to be as generic as possible so that org. of various sizes and complexity can adopt the std for implementation, once officially released, I get this feeling that there is going to a fair number of revisions coming.

I dislike the unnecessary change in many technical terminologies when Codex and the rest of the current standards have gotten used to many of them. i.e. "Product charecteristics for product descriptions" ????

Yes, I believe and hope BRC-Food would remain in the forefront of privately controlled FSM STd.

Cheers
Charles Chew

I am currently staring at the FDIS 22000 and is building the skeletal structure of ISO 22K QMS, PRP Manual, HACCP Plan Manual and the Operational PRP Manual.

Almost completed and at this stage, my opinion is that BRC-Food Std is much more organized and clearly to the point while the FDIS 22K is some what unclear in most areas which I fear is opened up to wide interpretations again. It has achieved its objective of making it "generic" but IMO at the expense of clarity.

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Well Charles it would be impossible for a global standard that covers an entire industry for example farm -> fork without being very, very generic. Is ISO 9001:2000 a useful 'how to' guide? - nope.

Yes, I believe and hope BRC-Food would remain in the forefront of privately controlled FSM STd.

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Charles now that you're an expert on both BRC Food Standard and ISO 22000 in your opinion if a business has a BRC Food Standard compliant system, how far are they off ISO 22000? Maybe BRC Food will next revise to be more in line with ISO 22000???

Regards,
Simon

if a business has a BRC Food Standard compliant system, how far are they off ISO 22000?

Simon,
The wordings contained FDIS 22K has pretty deep meanings (hence vague) with wide implications as compared with BRC-Food. IMO, to up-grade from BRC-Food to ISO 22k (which I hear is almost certain to be released by September) would be no problems to "matured systems".

Systems at their infancy stage may have some minor hiccups but should not be a problem.

I did bring up the issue of "Emergency Preparedness and Response" onto the forum earlier this month and this is just one of the MAIN issues that BRC-Food does not address in greater details as in ISO 22K.

Nevertheless, I am very sure that ISO 22000 will have a profound interest in this forum.

Cheers
Charles Chew

Nevertheless, I am very sure that ISO 22000 will have a profound interest in this forum.

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I think (hope) you're right Charles.

Simon

SDF was actually the very first place on the Internet where I heard of ISO 22000 mate. Remember John Surak paper ?

SDF  was actually the very first place on the Internet where I heard of ISO 22000 mate. Remember John Surak paper ?

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How could I ever forget. Yep another first for SaferPak!

Regards,
Simon

I voted NO with capitals.

Did they do any market research before inventing ISO 22000? Nobody asked me. I know I'm being somewhat blunt but justify yourself if you think I'm wrong.

Eurepgap is basically a GAP (good agricultural practices) model which shall be useful as a oPRP for ISO 22000.