The Compatibility Of Iso22000 With Iso9001:2000

To compare ISO/CD22000 N70 with ISO9001:2000, It's very hard to say they're a pair of standards with good compatibility. With the release of ISO22000, I think it will bring a lot of confusion for the companies that has been certified with ISO9001:2000 and HACCP.

For some examples,
7.4 is hazard analysis in ISO22000, but in ISO9001:2000, it's Purchasing;
8.3 is Food safety management system verification, but in ISO9001:2000, it's Control of nonconforming product;
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From N70, it's more like a new revision of HACCP principles, the process approach model focused by ISO9001:2000 was replaced by the food chain, but there's no any requirements for the Crop producers, Feed producers..., those parties belong to suppliers in ISO9001:2000.

If someone has some experience and ideas with FLOW CHART, FMEA and CONTROL PLAN..., I think he will has same imagination as me about present ISO22000.

I think it's a good idea to combine the ISO9001:2000 with HACCP, but the basic structure of process approach model that's suitable for any companies can be followed, because it's a common business process for any companies who pursuing related parties satisfaction and long term profit. or the PDCA can be followed, but from present ISO/CD 22000 N70, it's very hard to identify a kind of model used by ISO22000 that has compatibility with process approach model or PDCA model. There's no any description about their relationship.

I feel confusing about ISO/TC 34, Why they don't develop ISO22000 on the basis of ISO15161:2001, it has better compatibility than present ISO/CD 22000 N70 with ISO9001:2000.

I think there's a very important point that ISO/TC34 should make clear, that's every company whoes focus is on the business development with the return of business operation. For a food company, safety is not the only elements should be focused, the quantity, quality, cost, environment, healthy...etcs should be considered in the operation. So it's convenient for a food company to combine all of these elements together to do the operation in its individual business process. ISO9001:2000 is such a common basis for all of the companies whoes focuses are related parties satisfaction and profit return.

Above is my comments about present ISO/CD22000 N70.

welcome discussion!

Welcome to the forums Goodtea and thanks for your comments. I agree there are compatibility issues with the two standards, especially with regard to the process approach. The process approach is the essence of ISO 9001:2000 and I agree it would be useful to have a description of the relationship.

Maybe someone is listening…

Regards,
Simon

Welcome to the forums Goodtea and thanks for your comments.  I agree there are compatibility issues with the two standards, especially with regard to the process approach.  The process approach is the essence of ISO 9001:2000 and I agree it would be useful to have a description of the relationship.

Maybe someone is listening…

Regards,
Simon

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I'm very glad there's a reply, although it's from administrator. Maybe ISO22000 is still a stranger for most people, especially for those people in the field of food manufacturing. It's very natural. Because the standard itself is still in the processing. But I think all of experienced people in the implementation of ISO9001:2000 and HACCP should do some advanced research about this standard before its releasing.

Let's discussing... and prompt its development for better applicability.

Regards for every readers and answers,
Goodtea

With the release of ISO22000, I think it will bring a lot of confusion for the companies that has been certified with ISO9001:2000 and HACCP.

It is exactly for this reason of potential confusion amongst organizations that are causing distorted views - well at least over at my end. In my mind, what concerns the business sector most is which standard is the leading standard. You may have read recent discussions at this forum that some companies do not require their suppliers to be certified to ISO 9K but BRC/IOP is a must.

Well then, where do we go from here given the confusion already starting to set in

Charles Chew

With the release of ISO22000, I think it will bring a lot of confusion for the companies that has been certified with ISO9001:2000 and HACCP.

It is exactly for this reason of potential confusion amongst organizations that are causing distorted views - well at least over at my end. In my mind, what concerns the business sector most is which standard is the leading standard. You may have read recent discussions at this forum that some companies do not require their suppliers to be certified to ISO 9K but BRC/IOP is a must.

Well then, where do we go from here given the confusion already starting to set in

Charles Chew

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Dear Charles

The ISO 9001 is primarily a quality mgmt system, the ISO 22K is a food safety mgmt system. The emphasis is different. I agree that a company cannot be producing food without taking into consideration the quality and the safety aspect.

Guess that is why the ISO 22K is made compatible with the ISO 9K so that it can be integrated together so that a company can practised on this two key aspects by taking care of its quality and food safety.

So for company that is certified with both the ISO 9K and the HACCP, they could change to ISO 9k and the ISO 22K instead. As the ISO22K being a international standard encompasses the HACCP principles, pre-requisitie programmes. It provides a more holistic and auditable standard for the food organisation.

regards

LC

With the release of ISO22000, I think it will bring a lot of confusion for the companies that has been certified with ISO9001:2000 and HACCP.

It is exactly for this reason of potential confusion amongst organizations that are causing distorted views - well at least over at my end. In my mind, what concerns the business sector most is which standard is the leading standard. You may have read recent discussions at this forum that some companies do not require their suppliers to be certified to ISO 9K but BRC/IOP is a must.

Well then, where do we go from here given the confusion already starting to set in

Charles Chew

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Dear Charles

The ISO 9001 is primarily a quality mgmt system, the ISO 22K is a food safety mgmt system. The emphasis is different. I agree that a company cannot be producing food without taking into consideration the quality and the safety aspect.

Guess that is why the ISO 22K is made compatible with the ISO 9K so that it can be integrated together so that a company can practised on this two key aspects by taking care of its quality and food safety.

So for company that is certified with both the ISO 9K and the HACCP, they could change to ISO 9k and the ISO 22K instead. As the ISO22K being a international standard encompasses the HACCP principles, pre-requisitie programmes. It provides a more holistic and auditable standard for the food organisation.

regards

LC

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Let's go back from misunderstanding, I think ISO22000 is a good idea to combine ISO9000 and haccp together for food manufacturing company.
But the standard ISO22000 itself is still in the processing. I think all of experienced people in the implementation of ISO9001:2000 and HACCP can do some advanced research about this standard before its releasing.

Let's discussing... and prompt its development for better applicability.

Regards,
HAIFENG

To combine ISO 9001 and ISO 22000 will get back to the previous stage of ISO 15161....

There is absolutely nothing wrong to have two compatible yet separate and auditable standards.... - while organizations can opt for setting up of an Integrated Management System....

This is already in existence with the current Standards such as 9001.... 14001.... 18001.... 17799.... 13485....

Perhaps what we need is something similar to 13485 for medical devices.... with clause number corresponding to that of 9001.... - yet the whole standard is product-safety risk driven....

Masculinie