Example Communication Procedure which complies with ISO 22000

Dear every ISO 22000 expert,
please advise me,because i have implemented this standard since June 2009 as below;
1.DO you have example Communication Procedure which complied ISO 22000 Standard for me ?
2.Selection and assessment of Control measure Decision Tree (Separate PRP,oPRP and CCP )
3.Table of Analysis for No.2
Thank you so much for your help,
Prayong S.(THA)

BUMP for Prayong.

Not a procedure but some previous discussions on communciation within ISO 22000. Maybe they will help you a bit.

ISO 22000 - communication requirements
Interactive Communications

Regards,
Simon

Not a procedure but some previous discussions on communciation within ISO 22000. Maybe they will help you a bit.

ISO 22000 - communication requirements
Interactive Communications

Regards,
Simon

Thank you so much for your help, and i have trained for ISO 22000 ,so i will send ISO 22000 desition tree for your comment on next week , please advise me.

Dear every ISO 22000 expert,
please advise me,because i have implemented this standard since June 2009 as below;
1.DO you have example Communication Procedure which complied ISO 22000 Standard for me ?
2.Selection and assessment of Control measure Decision Tree (Separate PRP,oPRP and CCP )
3.Table of Analysis for No.2
Thank you so much for your help,
Prayong S.(THA)

Hi Prayong,
Communication is one of the key element of the FSMS, but, with the exception of 7.10.4 b), you dont need a procedure for cummunication. Believe me, I've seen a lot of communication procedures (e.g. 5.6.2) that does not really work. for this, in "communication" an auditor look for evidences more than documents.

For mandatory document in 7.4.4. please read and compare 7.6.1 and 7.5 (the differente is one of the key elements for classification of CCP and OPPRP's); also, read ISO/TS-22004; if a control measure can not be validated, then is a PRP (7.2). There could be a lot of possible methods for classification and, an auditor wants to see a logical and consistent approach.

I hope this help.

if a control measure can not be validated, then is a PRP (7.2).

Perhaps "is" should be replaced by "it may be"?. I appreciate the intention of the comment although I cannot see the word "validation" anywhere in my (non-electronic) version of 7.2.

very slightly off-topic

I would also suggest that the reverse situation to the above is not the case, ie, if a control measure can be validated, it may also be a prp. I realise this is probably contrary to certain statements in the standard such as definition 3.15 which apparently restricts the use of the term "validation" to ccps and oprps. This seems nonsense to me, for example, who would install something like a factory-wide chlorination system without making a (non-ISO 22000) "validation" first ?

Rgds / Charles.C

Perhaps "is" should be replaced by "it may be"?. I appreciate the intention of the comment although I cannot see the word "validation" anywhere in my (non-electronic) version of 7.2.

very slightly off-topic

I would also suggest that the reverse situation to the above is not the case, ie, if a control measure can be validated, it may also be a prp. I realise this is probably contrary to certain statements in the standard such as definition 3.15 which apparently restricts the use of the term "validation" to ccps and oprps. This seems nonsense to me, for example, who would install something like a factory-wide chlorination system without making a (non-ISO 22000) "validation" first ?

Rgds / Charles.C

Hi Charles,
The word "validation" is not in 7.2 of the standard. I'm talking about ISO/TS-22004 (7.4.4 - The guide).

Definition 3.15 is only for food safety (that why in the document you see this "< >". the ISO-15161 also propose a different definition for "validation" - and can also be applied to CCP's.

3.11 validation

Confirmation, through the provision of objective evidence, that the requirements for a specific intended use or application have been fulfilled, including evidence that the elements of the HACCP plan are effective.

The "standard" definition of validation (ISO-9000:2005) is wider and can be applied to more applications. If you Check PAS-220:2008 (PRP for food manufacturing) you can see that some PRP can be validated; in fact, it is a requirement for some of them.

Saludos.

Dear erasmo,

Interesting information as always.

OK, I thought perhaps the ref was to 22004.

Am not quite sure whether you are agreeing or disagreeing my criticism of 22000 (50/50 perhaps) but very useful info. regardless. (I also noticed that the Codex Hygiene 2003 definition of validation is easily the shortest of all the offerings I have seen).

PRP can be validated; in fact, it is a requirement for some of them.

Surely this means that PAS will then not be in conformity with ISO 22000 ?? (haven't had a chance to see the PAS document yet)

Rgds / Charles.C

Thank you so much for your suggestions,evidences are important more than procedures (Auditor form SGS (Thailand ) informed me).

I have attached to assessment for PRP,OPRP and CCp for your discussions.please advise our Team.

Best regards,
Prayong

Thank you so much for your suggestions,evidences are important more than procedures (Auditor form SGS (Thailand ) informed me).

I have attached to assessment for PRP,OPRP and CCp for your discussions.please advise our Team.

Best regards,
Prayong

Any comments for Prayong?

Dear Prayong

Sorry, I missed yr post before.

It's an interesting presentation. I liked the style although the continuous presence of “subjectivity” makes it difficult to present analytical black/white flow charts of this type IMO. (Similar problem occurs in the usual HACCP D-tree chart of course.)

Perhaps box3 should be risk instead of severity?

Seems to lack an option that a hazard may not require any control at all, eg be at a “lowest” risk , ie going to get a large number of oprps from this plan ?

Was this flow chart accepted by the auditor ? Just curious.

Rgds / Charles.C

Any further comments Prayong?

Thank you so much for your suggestions Charles.C !
When our Food safety Team began to use this decision tree ,we had a hard problem (from this decision we had a lot of OPRP Plan, so they made we were tired to verify and validate OPRPs point )
i have any questions to ask food safety expertist as below;
1.what do the topics to concern/must to conduce the procedure for recovery/repair the business after the business has emergency incident (example bioterrorism,fire )?
2.I am not clearly about conducting Raw meterial specification to allow BRC issue 5 and ISO 22000,because one raw meterial can be used in many products in our company, and we export to many countrys in the world (we know the regulation are not same standard ,some contry's regulation are tighted and another contry's regulation are easily, what can i do ?????

thank you very much for your help,
Prayong S. THA