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[Madam A. D-tor]

Dear all,

The BRC has published the FAQ for issue 6 on their website on 11 January 2012.

Please find enclosed.

Happy reading.
 F039 FAQs Issue 6 v2 11 1 12.pdf   1.25MB   369 downloads

[Charles.C]

Dear all,

The BRC has published the FAQ for issue 6 on their website on 11 January 2012.

Please find enclosed.

Happy reading.
 F039 FAQs Issue 6 v2 11 1 12.pdf   1.25MB   369 downloads

Dear Madam A.D-tor,

Is this the same "Guidelines" document (previously un-free AFAIK) that you and Ken were discussing end of 2011 ?

It is obvious that BRC have now realised they can expect a stream of "exceptions" to their attempt to issue a Universal Zoning Tree. The mention of "time" based pseudo-physical barriers should be an interesting exercise for validation in forthcoming audits IMO.

I am also casually interested in where all the sous-vide / REPFEDS will fit in this grand scheme.

Their fixation with "Listeria" (= L.mono. presumably) 6D should be interesting in USA where they focus (for "fully" cooked foods) on Salmonella AFAIK. Or is this another interpretation of "equivalent" ?

I hope this document resolved your/Ken's criticisms though i rather doubt it. It did seem to me that some of Ken's customer's confusions might be related to mixing up the risk/care definitions as applied to areas /foods respectively. Not surprisingly either IMO !.

Rgds / Charles.C

[Madam A. D-tor]

Is this the same "Guidelines" document (previously un-free AFAIK) that you and Ken were discussing end of 2011 ?

No, it is not.
This guideline still has to come.
This is 'just' a FAQ. I think that BRC uses the questions that come to their helpline to establish this document.

[Charles.C]

Dear Madam A.D-tor,

No, it is not.

Yes, i thought it looked a bit too lightweight.

I think that BRC uses the questions that come to their helpline to establish this document.

Mostly from auditors i imagine !

Rgds / Charles.C

[GMO]

Dear Madam A.D-tor,

Is this the same "Guidelines" document (previously un-free AFAIK) that you and Ken were discussing end of 2011 ?

It is obvious that BRC have now realised they can expect a stream of "exceptions" to their attempt to issue a Universal Zoning Tree. The mention of "time" based pseudo-physical barriers should be an interesting exercise for validation in forthcoming audits IMO.

I am also casually interested in where all the sous-vide / REPFEDS will fit in this grand scheme.

Their fixation with "Listeria" (= L.mono. presumably) 6D should be interesting in USA where they focus (for "fully" cooked foods) on Salmonella AFAIK. Or is this another interpretation of "equivalent" ?

I hope this document resolved your/Ken's criticisms though i rather doubt it. It did seem to me that some of Ken's customer's confusions might be related to mixing up the risk/care definitions as applied to areas /foods respectively. Not surprisingly either IMO !.

Rgds / Charles.C

The fixation with L. mono. presumably arises from the CFA. Their reasoning for using L mono. as their target organism was that if it killed L mono., it would also kill other vegetative pathogens of interest; I think the same was not necessarily true of the critical limits for Salmonellae.