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[Mahmoud S.H]

One product, 2 production lines, one is manual and the other is semiautomated, should I make 2 separate procedures for the product Risk Assessment and documentation?!

[Charles.C]

Dear MahmoudSH,

Welcome to the forum!

A little basic information would be useful -

Product / Status (eg RTE) = ?

Idea of process flow = ?

Rgds / Charles.C

[Mahmoud S.H]

Dear MahmoudSH,

Welcome to the forum!

A little basic information would be useful -

Product / Status (eg RTE) = ?

Idea of process flow = ?

Rgds / Charles.C

Thank u Charle :)

here is the situation:
- the product is pickled olives.
- Basic flow of manufacturing:
---> manual Processing line ----------> ------> Manual in plastic bags
Pickling Packing
----> Automated Processing line -----> -------> Automated Canning line

[Mahmoud S.H]

here is the situation:
- the product is pickled olives.
- Basic flow of manufacturing:

............... ---> manual Processing line ----------> .................... ------> Manual in plastic bags
Pickling ----------------------------------------------------------Packing
............... ----> Automated Processing line -----> ................... -------> Automated Canning line

:P

[Charles.C]

Dear MahmoudSH,

Thks for the info.

Not quite sure what "pickling" means in the operational sense but seems like you have 2 basically different procedures, ie one canning line and one non-canning line.

I expect that the risk assessment will be different which will normally require 2 separate procedures although if the starting stages are identical you could set up a branched flow chart and simply label the diagram so as to be able to reference the alternative pathways in a subsequent combined risk assessment-haccp analysis. I have done this where different chemical treatments were applied to product in 2 basically overall similar processes. It gets too complicated if the processes are fundamentally different in many steps and then becomes easier to totally separate IMEX.

(Of course, if you hv a variety of input materials with a similar BCP specification using the same process, this can be applicable to sharing a risk-analysis procedure.

Rgds / Charles.C

added - just noticed this is in the ISO 22000 section. My answer was primarily HACCP - oriented, not sure if ISO has any specific restrictions for this situation ?, probably not, but you need to check the standard to be sure.

[Modarres]

One product, 2 production lines, one is manual and the other is semiautomated, should I make 2 separate procedures for the product Risk Assessment and documentation?!

Absolutely YES!

You should draw two flow diagram for example because one is manual and one is semi-automatic and their steps have deference...
You should identify and record all food safety hazards that are reasonably expected to occur in relation to the type of product, type of process and actual processing facilities (7.4.2.1) and it is clear that likelihood of their hazard's occurrence in manual line is more than automation line, so its risk is higher.....


Best Regards,
Modarres

[Mahmoud S.H]

Absolutely YES!

You should draw two flow diagram for example because one is manual and one is semi-automatic and their steps have deference...
You should identify and record all food safety hazards that are reasonably expected to occur in relation to the type of product, type of process and actual processing facilities (7.4.2.1) and it is clear that likelihood of their hazard's occurrence in manual line is more than automation line, so its risk is higher.....


Best Regards,
Modarres

Thank you