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[reece ae]

Hi! We are being audited against FSSC V.5.1 and one of the non-conformity raised is whether  Metal Detection Process a CCP or an OPRP. We've been considering it as CCP for 6 years but from the recent CCP OPRP categorization guidelines, it somehow suggest that it should be an OPRP. In your opinion or is there someone who has the same process with ours and how do you categorize Metal Detection? We process fruits and vegetables and Metal Detection is part of the end process to eliminate physical hazards. Thank you.

[srinivas narayanappa]

Unless  you don't have X-ray machine after metal detector step it shall  be considered as  CCP. Because it specifically designed to prevent physical hazard

[Charles.C]

Hi! We are being audited against FSSC V.5.1 and one of the non-conformity raised is whether  Metal Detection Process a CCP or an OPRP. We've been considering it as CCP for 6 years but from the recent CCP OPRP categorization guidelines, it somehow suggest that it should be an OPRP. In your opinion or is there someone who has the same process with ours and how do you categorize Metal Detection? We process fruits and vegetables and Metal Detection is part of the end process to eliminate physical hazards. Thank you.

 

Hi reece,

 

Please validate this statement, eg specifically where is it suggested ?

 

IMO, the decision is subjective, ie you can find some support for any of  PRP, OPRP or CCP.

 

FSSC comment -
 

 

The appendix to this document presents a decision tree (spread over two pages) that can be used to conduct a hazard analysis within the framework of ISO 22000. Potential users should be aware that this decision tree is a result of an interpretation and that other tools can be used.

 

IMO the tree presented by FSSC is flawed. Some other options discussed in this thread (and elsewhere), eg -

 

https://www.ifsqn.co...18/#entry138212

 

Nonetheless, perhaps based on their routine experiences, some auditors may find one particular choice more attractive than others.

[mgourley]

There is a long running thread on this forum about metal detection and why it does/does not fit as a CCP.

GFSI standards have basically punted (to use an American football term) to just say metal detection is a defacto CCP, regardless what any decision tree says.

 

I fail to see how making metal detection a CCP as opposed to an OPRP is somehow "wrong".

 

If there is metal anywhere in your process. It's just logical to make detection of metal a CCP. It's not scientific, It's not necessarily the correct answer, but in most instances, it makes sense.

 

Marshall

[billbrochin]

In the USDA world, they define a choking hazard as any item between 7 mm and 25 mm.  Metal detectors are set to indicate something much smaller than 7mm, typically 1-2 mm.  Since that number is less than 7 mm, the USDA does not require that metal detectors are categorized as CCP and we removed their status as such.  In two different USDA facilities, one a BRC inspection and the other a SQF inspection, neither auditor disagreed with metal detection not being a CCP.

[drazen11]

We, in Serbia (fresh fruit processing to purees, JC, etc.) never have had an issue with certification bodies auditors nor customers audits with oPRP designation for the metal detector. We assign CCP only to electronically monitored control measures.

 

FSSC22000 v5

Audited by Coca Cola, Nestle, Danone, Pepsi etc.

[Charles.C]

We, in Serbia (fresh fruit processing to purees, JC, etc.) never have had an issue with certification bodies auditors nor customers audits with oPRP designation for the metal detector. We assign CCP only to electronically monitored control measures.

 

FSSC22000 v5

Audited by Coca Cola, Nestle, Danone, Pepsi etc.

 

Hi drazen,

 

Re ^^^(red/blue) - Why ?

 

Does yr MD not use "electronics" ?

[drazen11]

Hi drazen,

 

Re ^^^(red/blue) - Why ?

 

Does yr MD not use "electronics" ?

Hi, it is electronic but its not connected to data storage (server and record keeping software). It works as standalone unit with its data system.

[Charles.C]

Hi, it is electronic but its not connected to data storage (server and record keeping software). It works as standalone unit with its data system.

 

Hi drazen,

 

I think you have created a unique interpretation of iso22000. Congratulations !

[drazen11]

Hi drazen,

 

I think you have created a unique interpretation of iso22000. Congratulations !

 

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