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[Dian Yodana]

Hi everyone,

 

Does anyone here have experience with flour in woven sacks? How do you package flour to prevent dust?

 

If the woven sacks are sewn with inner plastic bags, sometimes during storage (stacking on pallets) the inner plastic bags are damaged/broken, and the flour becomes dusty. How do you prevent this dust?

 

Could you share your experience?

 

Thank you.

 

[MDaleDDF]

I work with flour based products.   Simple answer:   Lots of cleaning.

[jcieslowski]

Not flour, but I worked with raw and processed sugars.  They were also quite messy.  Answer was, as previously suggested, lots of cleaning.

 

I'd just like to remind that small powder is a HUGE fire risk (even explosion risk depending on confinement) so please put extra efforts into ensuring your cleaning procedures are cleaning even hard to reach spaces and that accumulations of flour on horizontal surfaces is removed frequently and kept to a minimum.

[MDaleDDF]

I'd just like to remind that small powder is a HUGE fire risk (even explosion risk depending on confinement) so please put extra efforts into ensuring your cleaning procedures are cleaning even hard to reach spaces and that accumulations of flour on horizontal surfaces is removed frequently and kept to a minimum.

Meh...... it is in certain conditions, but little bits like this on warehouse shelves, etc, it's not.   It has to be airborne just right, so in silos, dust collection systems, etc, yeah it is, and can cause quite an explosion.   But not in an example like this.   It has to be airborne in particles.   If you dump a bag of flour on the flour and hit the pile with a blowtorch, nothing will happen.   Also, it's not flour, it's dust so it can happen with corn, grains, etc.   The best example video on youtube is actually a corn silo explosion.  But there are plenty of videos on there showing what flour will do when under the right circumstances!

 

There was a flour complex in Hillsdale MI that blew up when I was a kid from that tho!   Silo explosion.

Edited by MDaleDDF, Yesterday, 02:29 PM.

[jcieslowski]

I've got to be honest MDaleDDF, I'm not sure why you're downplaying the fire risk.   There are, on average, 28 dust explosions or fires annually.  If someone is new to safety, I think that it's something worth mentioning.   You downplay "an example like this" but Dian doesn't mention anything about current cleaning methods so we can't really know what level of dust is in their plant.   Better safe than sorry.

[MDaleDDF]

I appreciate your honesty.   Yes, dust explosions happen.  I didn't mean to downplay it.   I just meant by the measuring stick given by the op, flour explosion was not a concern.   Perhaps in other parts of their plant it is, but flour leaking out a tiny bit like that isn't a dust explosion/fire risk.   Nowhere does the op state they're "new to safety", and they're working around flour based product, so I must assume they are informed about dust explosions.   Dust explosion issue quite simply, was not the Op's question, so I guess that's why I kind of sluffed it off....

[Dian Yodana]

Dear All,

 

Thank you for your suggestion. What I talking about dust during the storage. So it is small dust, not in silo.

And thank you all for your concern.

[GMO]

Extraction systems and opening methods are both worth looking at. The chemist in me is going to baulk at the description of it being an explosion because strictly speaking, explosions are from branching chemical effects rather than the high surface area in contact with oxygen. As my chemistry lecturer used to say though "a flour explosion is actually a fast burn but you wouldn't really care if you were running away from it."

 

Can you get a more robust liner to these bags as there will also be a plastic / foreign matter risk if you don't? And thinking about it, if flour dust can get out when these bags get damaged, SPIs can get in.

 

Also is it worth considering a silo which reduces the risks? After all it's not just the "explosion" risk but also risk to stored product insects feeding on the dust and also your staff. There is a condition called "baker's lung" which is a form of occupational asthma caused by repetitive inhalation of flour. By buying in silo or at least large pallecon bag quantities, you will reduce exposure of your staff, reduce fire risk and reduce pest risk. All while also saving on labour and costs of installing extraction equipment and PPE. So worth thinking about.

Edited by GMO, Today, 09:59 AM.

[SHQuality]

Meh...... it is in certain conditions, but little bits like this on warehouse shelves, etc, it's not.   It has to be airborne just right, so in silos, dust collection systems, etc, yeah it is, and can cause quite an explosion.   But not in an example like this.   It has to be airborne in particles.

Sure, it may not be a fire or explosion hazard in those cases, but product on shelfs and floors show a lack of hygiene that risks the attraction of pests which opens an entirely different can of worms.

[MDaleDDF]

Sure, it may not be a fire or explosion hazard in those cases, but product on shelfs and floors show a lack of hygiene that risks the attraction of pests which opens an entirely different can of worms.

For sure, flour bugs is the no 1 thing you're fighting when you're fighting dust in a flour based facility.   (I didn't deep dive on dust explosions, bugs, etc, as the op works in a flour based facility, I'm sure they are keenly aware, so I didn't want to point out the obvious.)   I have over 20 years in a flour based facility, so I've seen pretty much every hurdle there is specific to them.

Like any facility, each present their own unique issues.  Sanitation is the answer to the op's question.   Really good sanitation.    Just like any other food manufacturer, just specialized to specific needs.   The op's question was how to prevent the dust:   

 

The reality is you probably can't 100% without going past cost effective.   No matter what you do in a flour based facility, it gets everywhere and penetrates the smallest cracks and crevices in your building.   So cleaning it up every day is the best answer imho.    But it all depends on unknown factors, and only the op has the info needed to make that decision.   Op says bags are being ripped open.   If the bags are being ripped open because a fork truck pokes them, a thicker bag won't help, etc.  Kind of an example of what's termed a 'wicked problem'.   

 

So clean it up well, move on...  just my opinion.  Yours may vary.