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#1 Bon

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Posted 28 February 2006 - 07:17 AM

I have seen an audit BRC checklist. Please tell me what mean categories A and B assigned against each requirement (check item).
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Posted 28 February 2006 - 02:51 PM

Hello Bon,

The new BRC version 4 now gives an overall grade for the audit. Non conformances are still marked as Minor, Major, Critical and Fundamental but the number / severity of non conformances you get reflects on your grade.

So if you get 10 or less minors you get grade A, up to 2 major / 20 minor grade B, up to 1 critical/3major/21 minor grade C, 1 or more fundemental grade D.

With grade A and B your evaluation frequency will be 12 months, grade C - 6 months, grade D - no certificate.

If you buy a copy of the BRC standard all this is explained at the back. Please also note that to have a BRC audit you must have an copy of th standard - no standard, no audit!


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Posted 01 March 2006 - 08:33 AM

If you buy a copy of the BRC standard all this is explained at the back. Please also note that to have a BRC audit you must have an copy of th standard - no standard, no audit!


Clever eh? :yeahrite:

At first I thought Bon's wanted an audit checklist for BRC Packaging Standard (Cat A/B), but I get it now.

Has the information Yorky provided helped you Bon?

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Posted 02 March 2006 - 12:29 PM

Hello Bon,

The new BRC version 4 now gives an overall grade for the audit. Non conformances are still marked as Minor, Major, Critical and Fundamental but the number / severity of non conformances you get reflects on your grade.

So if you get 10 or less minors you get grade A, up to 2 major / 20 minor grade B, up to 1 critical/3major/21 minor grade C, 1 or more fundemental grade D.

With grade A and B your evaluation frequency will be 12 months, grade C - 6 months, grade D - no certificate.

If you buy a copy of the BRC standard all this is explained at the back. Please also note that to have a BRC audit you must have an copy of th standard - no standard, no audit!


Hello All.

Is it an actual requirement to have the standard in place, as in the past I have allways obtained a photocopy of the standard and have never been formally asked for a copy. Would this be a specific certification body requirement as opposed to a formal BRC requirement.

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Posted 02 March 2006 - 01:36 PM

Is it an actual requirement to have the standard in place, as in the past I have allways obtained a photocopy of the standard and have never been formally asked for a copy. Would this be a specific certification body requirement as opposed to a formal BRC requirement.



Our certification body state that we must have a copy of the standard but it would be interesting to know if others do.

Remember that the standard is copyrighted and should not be photocopied in full. :ph34r:
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 01:42 PM

Our certification body state that we must have a copy of the standard but it would be interesting to know if others do.

Remember that the standard is copyrighted and should not be photocopied in full. :ph34r:


Yorkshire,


Just went through BRC audit 3 weeks ago and it was never mentioned, perphaps its just assumed.

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Posted 03 March 2006 - 01:54 PM

Has the information Yorky provided helped you Bon?
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Yes Simon, it has :clap: and... Thank you Yorky!
No, I do not need any checklist. The one I had by chamce was just a subject to analysis. Now, I understand that A, B, C and D are just grades for compliance and I am wondering why C (and eventually D) were missing in that list?

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Posted 08 April 2006 - 11:45 AM

Hello Bon,

The new BRC version 4 now gives an overall grade for the audit. Non conformances are still marked as Minor, Major, Critical and Fundamental but the number / severity of non conformances you get reflects on your grade.

So if you get 10 or less minors you get grade A, up to 2 major / 20 minor grade B, up to 1 critical/3major/21 minor grade C, 1 or more fundemental grade D.

With grade A and B your evaluation frequency will be 12 months, grade C - 6 months, grade D - no certificate.

If you buy a copy of the BRC standard all this is explained at the back. Please also note that to have a BRC audit you must have an copy of th standard - no standard, no audit!


HEllo Yorkshire

Regarding your answer, I would like to ask you if there is some kind of guiance to decide if a non compliance is minor, major or critical. If not, is it up to the BRC auditor ?

Thank you in advance

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Posted 18 April 2006 - 04:02 PM

Our certification body state that we must have a copy of the standard but it would be interesting to know if others do.

Remember that the standard is copyrighted and should not be photocopied in full. :ph34r:



I think it depends very much on the certification body
I have read the BRC Standard and i can't see it saying that you have to have a copy, only that you have to demonstrate that you are working against the new standard! If i'm wrong, can someone tell me what page it's on!

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Posted 11 May 2006 - 08:00 PM

I have read the BRC Standard and i can't see it saying that you have to have a copy, only that you have to demonstrate that you are working against the new standard! If i'm wrong, can someone tell me what page it's on!



I've had a good look through the standard and I can't find it either! It must be our inspection company, I will have a word with them at our next audit.
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Posted 04 October 2006 - 11:44 AM

I've had a good look through the standard and I can't find it either! It must be our inspection company, I will have a word with them at our next audit.


I think major and minor are based on the ISO audit principles. So for example for the record keeping item (2.11.4).. if you have no records at all this is critical, if you have records but all are not legible or all are not authorised then it is a major and if one or some records only are missing a signature or have illegible data, then it is a minor.
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 07:02 AM

I was originally told by a consultant that the word 'shall' was another determining criterion (as in ISO9k2k), ie all 'shall' items are must haves so that a noncompliance was relatively easy to cause a major defect compared to the 'nonshalls'. Hovever the actual auditors didn't seem to follow this theory as far as I could see so maybe it depends on the auditor again. Additionally, if you look thru the BRC standard, there are an amazing lot of 'shalls' so again, not so sure.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 08:24 AM

think major and minor are based on the ISO audit principles. So for example for the record keeping item (2.11.4).. if you have no records at all this is critical, if you have records but all are not legible or all are not authorised then it is a major and if one or some records only are missing a signature or have illegible data, then it is a minor.



I have attached a document comparing IFS version 4 and BRC version 4. On page 7 it explains the differences between Major and Minor,

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 06:04 AM

I have attached a document comparing IFS version 4 and BRC version 4. On page 7 it explains the differences between Major and Minor,

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Hi
i need some information about BRC and IFS differences , i couldnt download this attachment.
could you send this file ,please.
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Posted 06 April 2010 - 05:18 PM

Hi
i need some information about BRC and IFS differences , i couldnt download this attachment.
could you send this file ,please.
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Sorry for the delay Haleh, I replaced the file.

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